Germany NYE attacks

ok so the last week or so things have been a bit insane again, not sure if this has caused as much international shitflinging:

there was this russian-german 13yr old girl who was gangraped by 30 Syrians (or some other sand niggers it doesnt matter right?).

allegedly.

so everyone went nuts.

today it came out that it was all a big lie.

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on the other side of the coin, there was a story of a 24yr old Syrian freezing to death in Berlin while he was waiting in line for the bureaucracy things to happen.

turns out, also a lie.

what is wrong with people!??

they're people, therefore fallible & prone to mistakes & delusion through misinformation

dont over-rate the human race

  On 1/30/2016 at 1:24 AM, phling said:

ok so the last week or so things have been a bit insane again, not sure if this has caused as much international shitflinging:

 

there was this russian-german 13yr old girl who was gangraped by 30 Syrians (or some other sand niggers it doesnt matter right?).

allegedly.

so everyone went nuts.

 

today it came out that it was all a big lie.

 

 

 

/////

 

on the other side of the coin, there was a story of a 24yr old Syrian freezing to death in Berlin while he was waiting in line for the bureaucracy things to happen.

turns out, also a lie.

 

what is wrong with people!??

games.

What about the Munich metro incident?

what about it jev?

  On 2/2/2016 at 8:12 PM, Jev said:

What about the Munich metro incident?

ok jev we get it you vape hate migrants

Being exasperated with undemocratically imposed mass migration and dealing with its consequences is not racism. This racist card is played out at this point and no thinking person is cowed by it, but you will hang on to your incorrect world view, inflexibly opposed to new data, until general society takes its inevitable lurch to extremism as it will be the only voice offering the by then radical solutions needed to fix the problem. If only the semi-intelli had been more with it we'll be saying, we wouldn't have ended up with, -random future dictators name-

Some hobo tried to take a multi-culti piss in the metro?

  On 2/2/2016 at 8:55 PM, ThatSpanishGuy said:

 

  On 2/2/2016 at 8:12 PM, Jev said:

What about the Munich metro incident?

 

ok jev we get it you vape hate migrants

 

I just started a topic and I am interested in everyone's thoughts. I don't hate migrants. And your black and white approach really helps neither of the sides.

  On 2/2/2016 at 8:46 PM, double uv said:

what about it jev?

  On 2/2/2016 at 10:26 PM, goDel said:

Some hobo tried to take a multi-culti piss in the metro?

lol

  On 2/2/2016 at 10:18 PM, delet... said:

Being exasperated with undemocratically imposed mass migration and dealing with its consequences is not racism.

o rly? the legislation and conventions about treatment of refugees were approved undemocratically?

why can't you just generate a single sentence that's not completely fucking stupid?

  On 2/2/2016 at 10:40 PM, eugene said:

 

  On 2/2/2016 at 10:26 PM, goDel said:

Some hobo tried to take a multi-culti piss in the metro?

lol

 

lol

  On 2/2/2016 at 10:36 PM, goDel said:

 

  On 2/2/2016 at 8:46 PM, double uv said:

what about it jev?

 

Well now that you ask me I realized I don't really know. Like really. I just posted it as news and probably hoped for opinions from both sides. But it feels kind of odd right know.

Both sides? You were talking about black and white approaches being unhelpful... just a minute ago?

Sure, should have write "all sides". You got me there.

looks to me like a big problem is the german/european media showing only one side, which is the gov issued propaganda side. and this has a lot to do with why so many people in europe are pissed. because their media is only telling one side of the story. i think its funny how the complete idiot who started this thread did so to ponder aloud if the fact that the german media finally decided to report on the issue after a week of trying desperately to keep a lid on it, was itself, propaganda. and i have to wonder myself if the lack of discussion on this side of the story (the clear media cover-up, gov media control, pro refugee propaganda, etc), which imo is just about as big of a story as the refugee situation itself, has anything to do with the fact that the views being pushed by the gov controlled media in europe are the same ones shared by most of the people here who don't want to discuss this very real case of media/gov collusion/propaganda. nah im sure its just a coincidence. from what i've seen people who actually live in germany ARE talking about it, however.

i guess some forms of blatant propaganda, even if its at the expense of sexual assault victims not getting their stories reported, is okay? it all depends on the main agenda of the day right. its the refugee's time to shine right now (in other words, they're the political tool of the day), women can be important again next week or whenever we need to get them riled up and voting. i mean, just fucking imagine if these alleged incidences had even only allegedly occurred here in the US of A, on college campuses. god damn we'd still be talking about it to this very day. oh, the rape culture! oh, the headlines, i can just see them now! vice, rolling stone, huffpo, salon, oh my gosh itd be such good reading and so many wonderful theories and discussions and plans and oh yes, major legislation would come out of it. i guess rape can be a cultural thing, but only on college campuses in the US.

Well it was reported (late obv, due to it being NYE) in media as being a police / government cover-up. Was it really a police / government cover-up though? Or was there just a genuine scarcity of reportable facts? In right-wing media, the lack of information was the story. Papers like the Telegraph will just write about fictional leaked Police reports if it will make a story that sells papers, but they won't report on something real that puts HSBC in a bad light, because advertising. This idea that the media as a whole works for the interests of government is dumb (it's not black n white), and easily exploited for propaganda--let a story gain momentum in social media on basis that it's a cover-up because it's under-reported,then report how it's actually a government, police, or whatever, cover-up (not saying that has happened, but it could have, and will happen).

nah i mean as hardcore as german laws on "hate speech" are, and their leaning on google/twitter/facebook/youtube with the weight of said german laws, to pressure those companies to censor online activity, the german gov has shown no machinations nor desires to want to control any media. i was wrong.

there's a tactic that's pretty popular with a certain political section, which is to stifle and shut down dissent, debate, and discussion if it might lead to anyone formulating ideas that they don't like. they do this by any means necessary including launching attacks by labeling a person an ist or ism or phobe. PC is newspeak. they've created and endorsed a whole fucking mess of language bullshit landmines where if someone 'says the wrong thing' they 'trigger' someone else, and so that's bad and mustn't be done. then they've pushed that system of rules to become as accepted as possible so they can control the narrative. you control the language people use to express themselves and now they can't express disagreement. then just to be sure, they also put in place censorship rules/legislation when and where they can. now it's against the law to disagree with them.

so now because of decades of all this you have cops who are afraid to report things like this. because they don't want to be called waaaaaycisss. hell the mayor of cologne tells girls they should follow a code of conduct including keeping strangers at arms length, so as not to provoke the immigrants into attacking them, i guess. i thought as intelligent evolved progressives we're supposed to call that kind of thing victim blaming. but the funny thing is that it's also like she's admitting that she herself apparently perceives the immigrants as animals that can't control their urges (but still wants them in her town, just thinks girls need to not provoke them, that's all). the kind of shit like what happened in rotherdam doesn't just magically happen. it requires a lot of people either actively covering it up, or ignoring it because they don't want to be labeled, or just don't want to believe it, and this is a pattern. which leads me to ask why you assert that the leaked police report is fictional?

I think it's important to view these things as they are: a power struggle between multiple forces to protect different interests. If you pick a side, you've opened yourself up to being manipulated by these forces. That can lead to completely ignoring actual problems in fluffy PC bubble, or blanket condemnation of refugees, immigrants or Muslims (or whatever else, underclass.. jews..). Both extremes are delusional positions born of manipulations intended to control through shifts in public opinion.

From my point of you, in the UK, what you're saying just makes no sense whatsoever, because the force with the biggest influence, the majority Tory government, doesn't want to take in any Syrian refugees at all, with the aim to manipulate public opinion to support that. Edit: actually from the internet dweller point of view, it is worth understanding UK politics a bit better since some of the loudest idiot voices on the internet are Brits

The right complaining about lack of freedom of speech "these days" is ridiculously hypocritical and just another bit of manipulation. Express socialist views in the UK and expect to be shat on in every way possible... including agent provocateurs trying to stir shit up so arrests can be made and people can be silenced....... there's negative side-effects to progressive politics (like police not doing their job) but freedom of speech is threatened at all angles for different reasons.

Also, you'd never call something like that victim blaming... so why now choose to side with that point of view? You're implying that PC racism rules override PC sexism rules... but they don't. Blaming victims of rape/sexual abuse, most would agree, is not on.. and scapegoating refugees also isn't on.

Oh yeah Rotherham thing was reported through all media as "Asian pedophile ring" or "Pakistani pedophile ring". You never get "White British pedophile ring", in that case it's just "Pedophile ring". The media clearly didn't give a fuck about political correctness there and that actually did upset the Asian community as well--PC very thinly veils a racist agenda and half the time they don't even bother. There's so many cases child abuse being ignored by police... It would great if the same people who are outraged by Rotherham, because of the race element, actually gave a fuck about institutional neglect and abuse that is ongoing in all communities. It would be great if the outrage actually came from a compassionate place. Police are often involved in exploitation of the vulnerable--the race issue clouded the institutional issues the police have--which actually undeniably has involved racism in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw blaming political correctness as killing two birds with one stone, give them an excuse for ignoring abuse (as usual) and also get the public demanding that they not be politically correct in their action, which certainly hadn't been a problem for them in the past.

  On 2/3/2016 at 3:41 PM, boo said:

Oh yeah Rotherham thing was reported through all media as "Asian pedophile ring" or "Pakistani pedophile ring". You never get "White British pedophile ring", in that case it's just "Pedophile ring". The media clearly didn't give a fuck about political correctness there and that actually did upset the Asian community as well--PC very thinly veils a racist agenda and half the time they don't even bother. There's so many cases child abuse being ignored by police... It would great if the same people who are outraged by Rotherham, because of the race element, actually gave a fuck about institutional neglect and abuse that is ongoing in all communities. It would be great if the outrage actually came from a compassionate place. Police are often involved in exploitation of the vulnerable--the race issue clouded the institutional issues the police have--which actually undeniably has involved racism in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw blaming political correctness as killing two birds with one stone, give them an excuse for ignoring abuse (as usual) and also get the public demanding that they not be politically correct in their action, which certainly hadn't been a problem for them in the past.

I agree. It's very easy to point out abuse occurring from refugees, ethnic minorities and communities, and whip up sentiment against them. It's not so easy to point the same finger at your own culture. I can't help but feel if, let's say tomorrow the West decided to ship every single refugee, asylum seeker, migrant back to their home countries. Everyone would pat themselves on the back for protecting their culture and women's safety - and then still host any other assault, harassment or rape of women in their countries. Women still have to deal with these things from "native" white dudes, but for some reason raising their voice about it leads to scrutiny and backlash.

There is a lot of scorn and ridicule against the idea (and in some cases, implementation of) courses aimed at men in colleges/universities to cut down on harassment, abuse or even rape of women by men on campuses. Why is there not the same scorn aimed at the same thing suggested (and again, in some cases, implementation of) for refugees?

Also I must say I've bit my tongue on so many occasions when I've actually just wanted to say "Your views are racist mate." because of the tangled offended brainfart it erupts in response. The anti-PC argument is basically used to disarm anyone with another opinion. Most people want an open debate, rather than skirting around the issue that unfounded prejudiced is the basis of some opinions--just say what you think and don't worry about offending anyone...feel free to have an opinion and express it but expect people to disagree and use the appropriate words when they do. Freedom of speech is a right but it's one everyone has to fight for,that's just how society is right now,...but maybe don't moan about it like some emotional lefty.

  On 2/3/2016 at 4:07 PM, WeAreOceans said:

 

  On 2/3/2016 at 3:41 PM, boo said:

Oh yeah Rotherham thing was reported through all media as "Asian pedophile ring" or "Pakistani pedophile ring". You never get "White British pedophile ring", in that case it's just "Pedophile ring". The media clearly didn't give a fuck about political correctness there and that actually did upset the Asian community as well--PC very thinly veils a racist agenda and half the time they don't even bother. There's so many cases child abuse being ignored by police... It would great if the same people who are outraged by Rotherham, because of the race element, actually gave a fuck about institutional neglect and abuse that is ongoing in all communities. It would be great if the outrage actually came from a compassionate place. Police are often involved in exploitation of the vulnerable--the race issue clouded the institutional issues the police have--which actually undeniably has involved racism in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw blaming political correctness as killing two birds with one stone, give them an excuse for ignoring abuse (as usual) and also get the public demanding that they not be politically correct in their action, which certainly hadn't been a problem for them in the past.

 

I agree. It's very easy to point out abuse occurring from refugees, ethnic minorities and communities, and whip up sentiment against them. It's not so easy to point the same finger at your own culture. I can't help but feel if, let's say tomorrow the West decided to ship every single refugee, asylum seeker, migrant back to their home countries. Everyone would pat themselves on the back for protecting their culture and women's safety - and then still host any other assault, harassment or rape of women in their countries. Women still have to deal with these things from "native" white dudes, but for some reason raising their voice about it leads to scrutiny and backlash.

 

There is a lot of scorn and ridicule against the idea (and in some cases, implementation of) courses aimed at men in colleges/universities to cut down on harassment, abuse or even rape of women by men on campuses. Why is there not the same scorn aimed at the same thing suggested (and again, in some cases, implementation of) for refugees?

 

Really good point.

  On 2/3/2016 at 4:14 PM, boo said:

 

  On 2/3/2016 at 4:07 PM, WeAreOceans said:

 

  On 2/3/2016 at 3:41 PM, boo said:

Oh yeah Rotherham thing was reported through all media as "Asian pedophile ring" or "Pakistani pedophile ring". You never get "White British pedophile ring", in that case it's just "Pedophile ring". The media clearly didn't give a fuck about political correctness there and that actually did upset the Asian community as well--PC very thinly veils a racist agenda and half the time they don't even bother. There's so many cases child abuse being ignored by police... It would great if the same people who are outraged by Rotherham, because of the race element, actually gave a fuck about institutional neglect and abuse that is ongoing in all communities. It would be great if the outrage actually came from a compassionate place. Police are often involved in exploitation of the vulnerable--the race issue clouded the institutional issues the police have--which actually undeniably has involved racism in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw blaming political correctness as killing two birds with one stone, give them an excuse for ignoring abuse (as usual) and also get the public demanding that they not be politically correct in their action, which certainly hadn't been a problem for them in the past.

 

I agree. It's very easy to point out abuse occurring from refugees, ethnic minorities and communities, and whip up sentiment against them. It's not so easy to point the same finger at your own culture. I can't help but feel if, let's say tomorrow the West decided to ship every single refugee, asylum seeker, migrant back to their home countries. Everyone would pat themselves on the back for protecting their culture and women's safety - and then still host any other assault, harassment or rape of women in their countries. Women still have to deal with these things from "native" white dudes, but for some reason raising their voice about it leads to scrutiny and backlash.

 

There is a lot of scorn and ridicule against the idea (and in some cases, implementation of) courses aimed at men in colleges/universities to cut down on harassment, abuse or even rape of women by men on campuses. Why is there not the same scorn aimed at the same thing suggested (and again, in some cases, implementation of) for refugees?

 

Really good point.

 

I should add that it's a frustrating double standard I see in both sides of the argument (conservatives and liberals, to simplify it). But I haven't seen too many opinions from more liberal or feminist minded people about the NYE attacks etc. aside from this thread. There may well be sweeping support from the left for mandatory classes to refugees for this sort of thing, I am not sure.