Germany NYE attacks

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:31 AM, doublename said:

Musulman is new to me. Thanks, blud.

it's the Urdu/Farsi word.

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:51 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:30 AM, usagi said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:03 AM, Jev said:

So what do you suggest, usagi, apart from insulting people with different opinions? How should Europe handle the situation?

 

I posted about how I think the criminal problem should be handled.

 

Are you aware of the information that 80 - 90% of the immigrants are illiterate and with strong traditionalistic mentality? Do you see it as a fundamental obstacle in the process of integration of those people? How many generations will it take for most of them to integrate (let alone assimilate as that is not PC today) in your opinion?

 

yes, I do see it as an obstacle. it is one. but that does not mean that they will all cause massive social upheaval and unrest, it's not that deterministic. I can't believe how many times this idea has been repeated in all these threads. there are good people amongst the undereducated and the foreign, you know. accepting them whilst keeping tight control of the situation is basically the positive, life-affirming decision to make, in the face of xenophobic fears and social instability.

turnaround can take a generation. you would be surprised at how quickly the children of traditionalists will re-evaluate and establish new values in new circumstances (I'm an example), especially if they're born in a new country. the real oldies/traditionalists may never integrate, but that's ok so long as there is common ground and the laws are respected.

I don't buy the views of people who claim that refugees will just strain the infrastructure, cause crime to skyrocket, dilute the host country's values and drive the country to ruin. if the situation is managed right, you will be creating a new segment of the population who will contribute to the economy, diversify society and set a good example for common human goals/causes.

but I don't expect someone who rejects multiculturalism to buy that.

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:12 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 3:27 AM, usagi said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 2:43 AM, Ayya Khema said:

I dont know. Im in canada, and even with money in their pockets, there are fundamental difference between most musulman and westerners.

 

Women rights in most musulman countries is terrible.

Islam is in many ways fundamentally different then western culture where humanism, Human rights, equality of sex, freeedom of speech is a at least a goal.

 

Just ask any women teacher how they feel toward musulman men. All my family are teachers, and they complain more and more how musulman boy do not really respect women teacher.

  On 1/8/2016 at 10:29 AM, transmisiones ferox said:

animals, ok,

but what those anti-immigrants people suggest? track down all the refugees, send them back, close the borders (is this even possible?) but then maybe they also shouldn't travel to these countries, for a summer vacation, or bring goods from them, for ex, or we goona just exploit their resources

they are not refugess, they are economic migrants

 

 

1. most of these people are fleeing wars for their lives and just want to find peace & prosperity. fuck the distinction between a refugee and an "economic migrant" in this situation.

2. some of the Muslims among them are pretty backwards, yes, and are in need of growing up & getting an education. that is the truth. however some of them do not have these problems. some aren't even Muslim. this is not even a Muslim/non-Muslim issue at its core, but I like how there's a vocal minority of irresponsible idiots on this forum who are pushing really hard to make it one.

3. there is some pertinent information for you to absorb in this link.

 

 

1- seriously, just inform yourself. You sound like mr obvious, without actual grasp to how much problem europe has on their shoulders.To recommend to ''fuck the distinction'' is moronic to the highest degree.

most of them are not fleeing war at all. gets your facts straight. Most if not all rapist in the events discussed in this thread are musulman.

 

I dont have the time to argue with strangers about this, you think im a idiot, so be it!

 

What europe did, to open the gates, is absolute disaster. It was very poor logistic. I'm all for letting the families escaping war zone, but the fact is most of those immigrants are not at all in that situation.

 

How interesting that you choose a buddhist nun as your name and avatar, yet seem unable to follow her teachings.

An actual grasp of "the problem" Europe has on its shoulders. The population of the EU is 503 million. The number of migrants is estimated by the International Organisation for Migration to be slightly over one million. I'll be generous to your point of view and say that it's 4 million. That's 0.79% of the EU population. Let's say Germany took 1 million of these migrants. That's 1.24% of the German population. Adding these sorts of numbers to the German or EU population will hardly strain the infrastructure in place there (especially Germany, which has a very infrastructure basis).

The distinction of whether they are refugees or economic migrants is moot at the present time, they are indeed fleeing war, oppression, murder, and endemic poverty. January 17th marked the 25th anniversary of the beginning of the US bombing campaign against Iraq, it's been going on pretty much non-stop since then (along with other NATO forces). The US and other western countries have been waging war in Afghanistan since 2001, with varying degrees of intensity. Syria has been in a state of war since 2011.

The number of rapes committed on NYE at Cologne during the assaults which are the subject of this thread was 2. The number of sexual assaults reported was yes, much higher at 600. I am not trying to excuse these acts, they are repugnant and should be dealt with by the law.

An interesting thing about crime and immigration. This study finds that in Sweden, the link is economic rather than cultural.

http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/53/3/456 (if you would like the whole PDF, please send me a private message)

From the abstract:

  Quote

We examine the gap in registered crime between the children of immigrants and the children of native Swedes. We follow all individuals who completed compulsory schooling during the period 1990–93 in the Stockholm Metropolitan area (N = 63,462) up to their thirties and analyse how family of origin and neighbourhood segregation during adolescence, subsequent to arriving in Sweden, influence the gap in recorded crimes. For males, we are able to explain between half and three-quarters of the gap in crime by reference to parental socio-economic resources and neighbourhood segregation. For females, we can explain even more, sometimes the entire gap. In addition, we tentatively examine the role of co-nationality or culture by comparing the crime rates of randomly chosen pairs of individuals originating from the same country. We find only a small correlation in the crime of individuals who share the same origin, indicating that culture is unlikely to be a strong cause of crime among immigrants.

In Germany, another study shows similar results:

http://www.rsf.uni-greifswald.de/fileadmin/mediapool/lehrstuehle/harrendorf/Germany_youngMig.pdf (pdf link).

While an official report indicates that refugees have not increased the crime rate (yes delet, I know, the officials are suppressing the truth in order to bring about the demise of the German state so that the globalists can have cheap labour for their factories).

Judging from your English (which is very good - certainly much better than my French, please don't take it as an insult, it has a few idiosyncrasies is all) I would guess that you are from Quebec. Are you a First Nations person? Or have you benefited from the concept of terra nullius?

I know statistics and history are not terribly exciting, especially when compared with the fiery rhetoric of xenophobic populism, but since they are the basis for judging the actual reality on the ground, I thought I might try and throw them in the mix one more time.

  On 1/20/2016 at 2:43 AM, Ayya Khema said:

musulman

every poster in this thread is a senior government official of their respective land

There's a syrian guy in my class who would love this thread

  On 1/20/2016 at 9:02 AM, chenGOD said:

An actual grasp of "the problem" Europe has on its shoulders. The population of the EU is 503 million. The number of migrants is estimated by the International Organisation for Migration to be slightly over one million. I'll be generous to your point of view and say that it's 4 million. That's 0.79% of the EU population. Let's say Germany took 1 million of these migrants. That's 1.24% of the German population. Adding these sorts of numbers to the German or EU population will hardly strain the infrastructure in place there (especially Germany, which has a very infrastructure basis).

Oh I love this naive math completely ignoring the facts like family reunification policy, strong conservative family values of immigrants, fertility rates of immigrants, tendency to create parallel societies, 90% illiteracy and that the immigration isn't nowhere finished yet.

And I haven't even started talking about psychological, psychiatric and neurological factors of people's behaviour in context of multiculturalism, xenophobia, mentality, genetics etc.

This naivety is really scary because it points out how uninformed and dangerous for society otherwise intelligent people like you can be. Good intentions, catastrophic results.

Stunning.

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:30 AM, usagi said:

the difference between you lot and everyone else on this issue is that you speak on this issue from the position of inherent contempt for people who are different to you, and are fundamentally unsympathetic to those who are trying to survive and find a better life. there more your poorly-disguised xenophobia on this issue goes unchalleneged, the worse the world will become for everyone else who's just trying to get along. it appears that we are entering that kind of time in the history of our species now more than ever before.

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:03 AM, Jev said:

So what do you suggest, usagi, apart from insulting people with different opinions? How should Europe handle the situation?

 

I posted about how I think the criminal problem should be handled.

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:12 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 3:27 AM, usagi said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 2:43 AM, Ayya Khema said:

I dont know. Im in canada, and even with money in their pockets, there are fundamental difference between most musulman and westerners.

 

Women rights in most musulman countries is terrible.

Islam is in many ways fundamentally different then western culture where humanism, Human rights, equality of sex, freeedom of speech is a at least a goal.

 

Just ask any women teacher how they feel toward musulman men. All my family are teachers, and they complain more and more how musulman boy do not really respect women teacher.

  On 1/8/2016 at 10:29 AM, transmisiones ferox said:

animals, ok,

but what those anti-immigrants people suggest? track down all the refugees, send them back, close the borders (is this even possible?) but then maybe they also shouldn't travel to these countries, for a summer vacation, or bring goods from them, for ex, or we goona just exploit their resources

they are not refugess, they are economic migrants

 

 

1. most of these people are fleeing wars for their lives and just want to find peace & prosperity. fuck the distinction between a refugee and an "economic migrant" in this situation.

2. some of the Muslims among them are pretty backwards, yes, and are in need of growing up & getting an education. that is the truth. however some of them do not have these problems. some aren't even Muslim. this is not even a Muslim/non-Muslim issue at its core, but I like how there's a vocal minority of irresponsible idiots on this forum who are pushing really hard to make it one.

3. there is some pertinent information for you to absorb in this link.

 

 

1- seriously, just inform yourself. You sound like mr obvious, without actual grasp to how much problem europe has on their shoulders.To recommend to ''fuck the distinction'' is moronic to the highest degree.

most of them are not fleeing war at all. gets your facts straight. Most if not all rapist in the events discussed in this thread are musulman.

 

I dont have the time to argue with strangers about this, you think im a idiot, so be it!

 

What europe did, to open the gates, is absolute disaster. It was very poor logistic. I'm all for letting the families escaping war zone, but the fact is most of those immigrants are not at all in that situation.

 

 

yeah yeah yeah. take your wisdom elsewhere, Dalai Wanka.

Having a bad day? Relax dude.

You are so fast to insults, so sad.

  On 1/20/2016 at 7:58 PM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 9:02 AM, chenGOD said:

An actual grasp of "the problem" Europe has on its shoulders. The population of the EU is 503 million. The number of migrants is estimated by the International Organisation for Migration to be slightly over one million. I'll be generous to your point of view and say that it's 4 million. That's 0.79% of the EU population. Let's say Germany took 1 million of these migrants. That's 1.24% of the German population. Adding these sorts of numbers to the German or EU population will hardly strain the infrastructure in place there (especially Germany, which has a very infrastructure basis).

 

Oh I love this naive math completely ignoring the facts like family reunification policy, strong conservative family values of immigrants, fertility rates of immigrants, tendency to create parallel societies, 90% illiteracy and that the immigration isn't nowhere finished yet.

 

And I haven't even started talking about psychological, psychiatric and neurological factors of people's behaviour in context of multiculturalism, xenophobia, mentality, genetics etc.

 

This naivety is really scary because it points out how uninformed and dangerous for society otherwise intelligent people like you can be. Good intentions, catastrophic results.

 

Stunning.

 

exactly.

very stunning how inteligent people are being totally blind. Anyone critisizing Islam are called neo-nazis.

What the FUCK is wrong with you man, why don't you doubt your beliefs at least a tiny bit?? Chen just put FOUR FUCKING TIMES HIGHER NUMBER than the estimate and you just keep bashing on what he's trying to say... I'm not even "pro" nor "against" the whole immigrants thing, it just pisses me off when people that are already paranoid about it, act as if they're trying to make enemies with people in the same boat.

It's retarded beyond words, please don't be retarded.

  On 1/20/2016 at 5:12 AM, usagi said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:31 AM, doublename said:

Musulman is new to me. Thanks, blud.

 

it's the Urdu/Farsi word.

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:51 AM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:30 AM, usagi said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:03 AM, Jev said:

So what do you suggest, usagi, apart from insulting people with different opinions? How should Europe handle the situation?

 

I posted about how I think the criminal problem should be handled.

 

Are you aware of the information that 80 - 90% of the immigrants are illiterate and with strong traditionalistic mentality? Do you see it as a fundamental obstacle in the process of integration of those people? How many generations will it take for most of them to integrate (let alone assimilate as that is not PC today) in your opinion?

 

 

yes, I do see it as an obstacle. it is one. but that does not mean that they will all cause massive social upheaval and unrest, it's not that deterministic. I can't believe how many times this idea has been repeated in all these threads. there are good people amongst the undereducated and the foreign, you know. accepting them whilst keeping tight control of the situation is basically the positive, life-affirming decision to make, in the face of xenophobic fears and social instability.

 

turnaround can take a generation. you would be surprised at how quickly the children of traditionalists will re-evaluate and establish new values in new circumstances (I'm an example), especially if they're born in a new country. the real oldies/traditionalists may never integrate, but that's ok so long as there is common ground and the laws are respected.

 

I don't buy the views of people who claim that refugees will just strain the infrastructure, cause crime to skyrocket, dilute the host country's values and drive the country to ruin. if the situation is managed right, you will be creating a new segment of the population who will contribute to the economy, diversify society and set a good example for common human goals/causes.

 

but I don't expect someone who rejects multiculturalism to buy that.

 

all rubiish. they will not integrate. stop all your assumption. go get educated on the problems at bay. Or read more carefully Jev last post. They do not integrate. There have been many books written about the history of Islam threw out the centuries.

What europe did is a catastrophe. Point final.

We must help those fleeing wars, but the fact is, most are not. I think 20% are fleeing wars. the rest are economic migrants and will bring major problems in long term.

  On 1/20/2016 at 9:02 AM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 4:12 AM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 3:27 AM, usagi said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 2:43 AM, Ayya Khema said:

I dont know. Im in canada, and even with money in their pockets, there are fundamental difference between most musulman and westerners.

 

Women rights in most musulman countries is terrible.

Islam is in many ways fundamentally different then western culture where humanism, Human rights, equality of sex, freeedom of speech is a at least a goal.

 

Just ask any women teacher how they feel toward musulman men. All my family are teachers, and they complain more and more how musulman boy do not really respect women teacher.

  On 1/8/2016 at 10:29 AM, transmisiones ferox said:

animals, ok,

but what those anti-immigrants people suggest? track down all the refugees, send them back, close the borders (is this even possible?) but then maybe they also shouldn't travel to these countries, for a summer vacation, or bring goods from them, for ex, or we goona just exploit their resources

they are not refugess, they are economic migrants

 

 

1. most of these people are fleeing wars for their lives and just want to find peace & prosperity. fuck the distinction between a refugee and an "economic migrant" in this situation.

2. some of the Muslims among them are pretty backwards, yes, and are in need of growing up & getting an education. that is the truth. however some of them do not have these problems. some aren't even Muslim. this is not even a Muslim/non-Muslim issue at its core, but I like how there's a vocal minority of irresponsible idiots on this forum who are pushing really hard to make it one.

3. there is some pertinent information for you to absorb in this link.

 

 

1- seriously, just inform yourself. You sound like mr obvious, without actual grasp to how much problem europe has on their shoulders.To recommend to ''fuck the distinction'' is moronic to the highest degree.

most of them are not fleeing war at all. gets your facts straight. Most if not all rapist in the events discussed in this thread are musulman.

 

I dont have the time to argue with strangers about this, you think im a idiot, so be it!

 

What europe did, to open the gates, is absolute disaster. It was very poor logistic. I'm all for letting the families escaping war zone, but the fact is most of those immigrants are not at all in that situation.

 

 

How interesting that you choose a buddhist nun as your name and avatar, yet seem unable to follow her teachings.

 

An actual grasp of "the problem" Europe has on its shoulders. The population of the EU is 503 million. The number of migrants is estimated by the International Organisation for Migration to be slightly over one million. I'll be generous to your point of view and say that it's 4 million. That's 0.79% of the EU population. Let's say Germany took 1 million of these migrants. That's 1.24% of the German population. Adding these sorts of numbers to the German or EU population will hardly strain the infrastructure in place there (especially Germany, which has a very infrastructure basis).

 

The distinction of whether they are refugees or economic migrants is moot at the present time, they are indeed fleeing war, oppression, murder, and endemic poverty. January 17th marked the 25th anniversary of the beginning of the US bombing campaign against Iraq, it's been going on pretty much non-stop since then (along with other NATO forces). The US and other western countries have been waging war in Afghanistan since 2001, with varying degrees of intensity. Syria has been in a state of war since 2011.

 

The number of rapes committed on NYE at Cologne during the assaults which are the subject of this thread was 2. The number of sexual assaults reported was yes, much higher at 600. I am not trying to excuse these acts, they are repugnant and should be dealt with by the law.

An interesting thing about crime and immigration. This study finds that in Sweden, the link is economic rather than cultural.

http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/53/3/456 (if you would like the whole PDF, please send me a private message)

From the abstract:

 

 

  Quote

We examine the gap in registered crime between the children of immigrants and the children of native Swedes. We follow all individuals who completed compulsory schooling during the period 1990–93 in the Stockholm Metropolitan area (N = 63,462) up to their thirties and analyse how family of origin and neighbourhood segregation during adolescence, subsequent to arriving in Sweden, influence the gap in recorded crimes. For males, we are able to explain between half and three-quarters of the gap in crime by reference to parental socio-economic resources and neighbourhood segregation. For females, we can explain even more, sometimes the entire gap. In addition, we tentatively examine the role of co-nationality or culture by comparing the crime rates of randomly chosen pairs of individuals originating from the same country. We find only a small correlation in the crime of individuals who share the same origin, indicating that culture is unlikely to be a strong cause of crime among immigrants.

 

In Germany, another study shows similar results:

http://www.rsf.uni-greifswald.de/fileadmin/mediapool/lehrstuehle/harrendorf/Germany_youngMig.pdf (pdf link).

While an official report indicates that refugees have not increased the crime rate (yes delet, I know, the officials are suppressing the truth in order to bring about the demise of the German state so that the globalists can have cheap labour for their factories).

 

Judging from your English (which is very good - certainly much better than my French, please don't take it as an insult, it has a few idiosyncrasies is all) I would guess that you are from Quebec. Are you a First Nations person? Or have you benefited from the concept of terra nullius?

 

 

I know statistics and history are not terribly exciting, especially when compared with the fiery rhetoric of xenophobic populism, but since they are the basis for judging the actual reality on the ground, I thought I might try and throw them in the mix one more time.

 

go get informed. all sort of assumptions without any basis. Or read more carefully Jev posts.

Very poor to make personal comments about the fact that I am a buddhist. just keep on topic and do not insult members. I am in no way racist nor xenophobe, or whatever. I see reality of the problem.You should ask women teachers how they feel respected by Islamic men.

I guess your not often confronted with Musulman in your life? There are fundamental difference between westerners and Islam culture. Its very naive to believe they will integrate. history shows that they do not integrate. My best friend live with two musulman and he is baffled by some of their world views.

Go have a look at Islam countries and how human rights are not respected. Best pray your not a women or a gay men in those countries.

I agree with everything Jev say.

I see this a real problem in western society and in europe also. As soon as you critic Islam, you are treated like a racist or neo nazis.

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:47 PM, kokoon said:

What the FUCK is wrong with you man, why don't you doubt your beliefs at least a tiny bit?? Chen just put FOUR FUCKING TIMES HIGHER NUMBER than the estimate and you just keep bashing on what he's trying to say... I'm not even "pro" nor "against" the whole immigrants thing, it just pisses me off when people that are already paranoid about it, act as if they're trying to make enemies with people in the same boat.

 

It's retarded beyond words, please don't be retarded.

chen numbers are irrelevant.

Just to clarify my views. Even if the refugees/immigrants weren't Muslims while the other factors stayed the same it would still be a huge problem for Europe.

Once again, I will suggest we barbecue. Lets get them muslims and immigrants, round em up, give em a safety spork to quell the worrywarts and lets dig in. We can make some halal food, that's no problem.

"Want a sprite, Mohammad? Oh, gotta pray facing east, that's cool, I'll get on grilling the marinated steaks and shrimp for the other peeps. Do you prefer your lentil curry to be hot or mild?"

I'll even make gumbo. If you've been around these a parts long enough, you'd know I make a gumbo that could bring the world together. I'd omit certain ingredients based on faithor the like, cuz I'm that nice... wouldn't you?

stop on this thread, this thread is much better http://forum.watmm.com/topic/89752-boxes-parcels-satisfaction/

  On 1/20/2016 at 3:27 AM, usagi said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 2:43 AM, Ayya Khema said:

I dont know. Im in canada, and even with money in their pockets, there are fundamental difference between most musulman and westerners.

 

Women rights in most musulman countries is terrible.

Islam is in many ways fundamentally different then western culture where humanism, Human rights, equality of sex, freeedom of speech is a at least a goal.

 

Just ask any women teacher how they feel toward musulman men. All my family are teachers, and they complain more and more how musulman boy do not really respect women teacher.

 

  On 1/8/2016 at 10:29 AM, transmisiones ferox said:

animals, ok,

but what those anti-immigrants people suggest? track down all the refugees, send them back, close the borders (is this even possible?) but then maybe they also shouldn't travel to these countries, for a summer vacation, or bring goods from them, for ex, or we goona just exploit their resources

they are not refugess, they are economic migrants

 

 

1. most of these people are fleeing wars for their lives and just want to find peace & prosperity. fuck the distinction between a refugee and an "economic migrant" in this situation.

2. some of the Muslims among them are pretty backwards, yes, and are in need of growing up & getting an education. that is the truth. however some of them do not have these problems. some aren't even Muslim. this is not even a Muslim/non-Muslim issue at its core, but I like how there's a vocal minority of irresponsible idiots on this forum who are pushing really hard to make it one.

3. there is some pertinent information for you to absorb in this link.

 

how do people like this end up on WATMM, seriously. never mind Europe being flooded with refugees, our more immediate concern is WATMM being flooded by sheltered autistic pseudointellectuals and self-indulgent time-wasting essayists. it wasn't this bad a few years ago. #closetheborders JR

 

I guess the good news is that nobody on here has their shit together enough to actually make it into a position where they're able to make decisions about this or have any real impact one way or the other, so we're all just chattin' shit, essentially. I imagine some people itt would have full-on meltdowns trying to assess the situation on the ground and do the right thing in the irl circumstances.

 

usagi

Usagi gets the first bowl of gumbo.

Cult of personality ftw.

Anyway, if the inbreeding statistics in Muslim countries are correct (70% in Pakistan for example according to Wiki, 55% Pakistani immigrants in UK) then there is even more problems then I thought. I wasn't aware of such huge numbers of inbred people in Muslim countries but Islam allows first cousin marriage. Wow.

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:48 PM, Ayya Khema said:

I agree with everything Jev say.

  On 1/20/2016 at 9:58 PM, Jev said:

Cult of personality ftw.

  On 1/20/2016 at 10:01 PM, triachus said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:48 PM, Ayya Khema said:

I agree with everything Jev say.

  On 1/20/2016 at 9:58 PM, Jev said:

Cult of personality ftw.

 

I didn't know that agreeing with somebody is cult of personality. If Ayya starts to worship me though I will have a problem with that.

About inbreeding:

I checked info and first cousin marriage is allowed even in some European countries but the catholic church prohibits that. According to statistics it happens only in less than 1% (some say 0.6%) of marriages in Europe.

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:48 PM, Ayya Khema said:

I guess your not often confronted with Musulman in your life? There are fundamental difference between westerners and Islam culture. Its very naive to believe they will integrate. history shows that they do not integrate. My best friend live with two musulman and he is baffled by some of their world views.

I used to be one, and I grew up in a Muslim country. I am infinitely more acquainted with this subject first-hand than you ever will be from the comfort of your armchair. hence my vehement rejection of your repugnant views on this subject, made twice-repugnant by the fact that you're presenting as some kind of supposedly-peaceful pseudo-Buddhist wanker.

  On 1/20/2016 at 10:20 PM, usagi said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:48 PM, Ayya Khema said:

I guess your not often confronted with Musulman in your life? There are fundamental difference between westerners and Islam culture. Its very naive to believe they will integrate. history shows that they do not integrate. My best friend live with two musulman and he is baffled by some of their world views.

 

I used to be one, and I grew up in a Muslim country. I am infinitely more acquainted with this subject first-hand than you ever will be from the comfort of your armchair. hence my vehement rejection of your repugnant views on this subject, made twice-repugnant by the fact that you're presenting as some kind of supposedly-peaceful pseudo-Buddhist wanker.

 

What made you leave Islam?

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:50 PM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:47 PM, kokoon said:

What the FUCK is wrong with you man, why don't you doubt your beliefs at least a tiny bit?? Chen just put FOUR FUCKING TIMES HIGHER NUMBER than the estimate and you just keep bashing on what he's trying to say... I'm not even "pro" nor "against" the whole immigrants thing, it just pisses me off when people that are already paranoid about it, act as if they're trying to make enemies with people in the same boat.

 

It's retarded beyond words, please don't be retarded.

chen numbers are irrelevant.

 

Yes, facts are generally irrelevant when making populist arguments - I can see how they would annoy you.

  On 1/20/2016 at 10:36 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:50 PM, Ayya Khema said:

 

chen numbers are irrelevant.

 

 

Yes, facts are generally irrelevant when making populist arguments - I can see how they would annoy you.

 

You can maybe try to reply to my counter-argument to your stats. I am sure you are not intentionally evading that.

WATMM loves to mock Scientology, but is kinda touchy about criticizing Islam.

(it seems ambivalent on Christianity)

  On 1/20/2016 at 10:20 PM, usagi said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:48 PM, Ayya Khema said:

I guess your not often confronted with Musulman in your life? There are fundamental difference between westerners and Islam culture. Its very naive to believe they will integrate. history shows that they do not integrate. My best friend live with two musulman and he is baffled by some of their world views.

 

I used to be one, and I grew up in a Muslim country. I am infinitely more acquainted with this subject first-hand than you ever will be from the comfort of your armchair. hence my vehement rejection of your repugnant views on this subject, made twice-repugnant by the fact that you're presenting as some kind of supposedly-peaceful pseudo-Buddhist wanker.

 

repugnant. wow, is that some form of therapy to insult a complete stranger on the net.

I am in now way against musulman, I have had many musulman housemate and lived for months and years with musulman. I was the tenant of my place and have taken many musulman. I have no hate in my heart for musulman. I am however concern aboutcertain aspect of islam. I was seeing a documentary how your family will reject you if you reject islam. I have read a lot about human rights in islamic countries, teh way they treat gays, woman rights and Im entitled to have concerns about that tradition.

  On 1/20/2016 at 10:36 PM, chenGOD said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:50 PM, Ayya Khema said:

 

  On 1/20/2016 at 8:47 PM, kokoon said:

What the FUCK is wrong with you man, why don't you doubt your beliefs at least a tiny bit?? Chen just put FOUR FUCKING TIMES HIGHER NUMBER than the estimate and you just keep bashing on what he's trying to say... I'm not even "pro" nor "against" the whole immigrants thing, it just pisses me off when people that are already paranoid about it, act as if they're trying to make enemies with people in the same boat.

 

It's retarded beyond words, please don't be retarded.

chen numbers are irrelevant.

 

 

Yes, facts are generally irrelevant when making populist arguments - I can see how they would annoy you.

 

yes chen you should answer Jev post rather then throw poor shots insults.

But I wont be surprised if you dont want to really look at the situation. Much better trying to feel superior to anyone showing concern about the problems that will emerge from opening the gates.

''Oh I love this naive math completely ignoring the facts like family reunification policy, strong conservative family values of immigrants, fertility rates of immigrants, tendency to create parallel societies, 90% illiteracy and that the immigration isn't nowhere finished yet.>>