Germany NYE attacks

  On 1/10/2016 at 1:43 PM, Jev said:

I will quote myself here:

 

"Multiculturalism does not lead to multicultural environment. It leads to separated cultures living next to each other and in worse cases (currently muslims, middle easterners) to parallel societies (many Turks in Germany for example). The illusion that multiculturalism works is a result of experience with cultures that are not explicitly violent or in opposition to each other (we prefer wine, they prefer beer) so the problems are not very evident."

 

Also, it is very dependant on a size of different cultural communities. An individual is forced to assimilate within a big group of natives while a group of a sufficient size will create a parallel society.

 

Moreover, there are cultures that prohibit/discourage their members from marrying a member from a different culture which leads to even more separation between the cultures as it effectively prevents assimilation.

 

Also, I would say strictly religious members of a religious culture are impossible to assimilate as they have a completely different set of priorities.

 

OK having to reread that paragraph that you seem rather pleased with tipped me over the edge. What a load of bollocks. You clearly have a chip on your shoulder about religion that has no basis in reality (the values of all religions are basically the same but can also all be twisted to justify evil crap). I'll use the example of Spanish immigrants in the UK. They would apparently get a pass but a large % confine their social lives to within the "other" group and often only other Spanish folk, and don't learn English properly (even if they intended to--it's hard when you don't really need to). They are definitely more likely to procreate with another Spaniard just because that is their preference. All of that has absolutely fuck all to do with religion. Also Buddhist-run convenience stores being open on Xmas day is fuckin convenient.

Certain behaviours just don't fly in the west openly but just because things are done more covertly,doesn't mean the same shit isn't happening. White protestant Euros do human trafficking, etc.etc....

You get young second generation Somalian women flirting with British men in bars, just for fun. On the first generation that would have seemed really unlikely to happen because the divide was so defined.. but in that example it's kind of something that needed to happen, so it did. Somalian kids just weren't having it.

I have no more energy for another lengthy discussion (as it is quite demanding to exactly articulate my opinions in English language and also because I feel some of you guys are getting quite emotional) but just to clarify:

I believe a particular religion can be part of the problem with integration and multiculturalism because the religion is a part of a culture after all. Of course, it strongly depends on how much a particular person in question believes, how much they fear their god(s) (that is why I said "strictly religious"). The more dogmatic, the less integration/assimilation can be expected because their god is their priority.

However, I don't think I ever said in this discussion that religion is the culprit of it all. Intelligence, education, other traditions and beliefs matters too. But Islam is such a huge part of many Muslims' lives (PEW research, anyone?) that we cannot simply dismiss it as a non-relevant argument. Religions have a potential of making otherwise intelligent people to be very dogmatic and stupid because it is very hard or maybe even impossible to argue with religion with logic.

You need to stop using the word "emotional", such an ugly way to dismiss what people are saying, even you jev is being emotional about this subject thats why you have 30 posts on this topic lol

  On 1/11/2016 at 3:39 PM, Deer said:

You need to stop using the word "emotional", such an ugly way to dismiss what people are saying, even you jev is being emotional about this subject thats why you have 30 posts on this topic lol

Not sure if you are joking or not. I am not dismissing anyone's opinions by saying they are "emotional". As you can see throughout the whole thread I always tried to use relevant arguments in my posts without ad hominem attacks. Or not?

you and delte and the people in your camp love to use the word emotional to dismiss the other camp (im sure the other camp has its word to dismiss your camp too), i just think its the easy way out, its the equivalent of covering your ears and going "nah nah i can't listen to what you are saying"

maybe it will help if you guys define what you mean by emotional, cause the way i see it these type subjects are full of passion and emotion on both sides so i dont know what you mean.

  On 1/11/2016 at 4:00 PM, Deer said:

you and delte and the people in your camp love to use the word emotional to dismiss the other camp (im sure the other camp has its word to dismiss your camp too), i just think its the easy way out, its the equivalent of covering your ears and going "nah nah i can't listen to what you are saying"

 

maybe it will help if you guys define what you mean by emotional, cause the way i see it these type subjects are full of passion and emotion on both sides so i dont know what you mean.

Wow, so in your opinion I have not posted any relevant argument in this topic? I just "dismissed the other camp"? What? I have been trying my best to discuss constructively for days in this thread. Stupid me.

Boo's latest post was definitely emotional in my book and even to that post I have tried to react by using constructive arguments.

This thread is done. I am out.

I think it's compassion that is the issue here. Basically one side is compassionate and the other is not. There must be some emotion behind preferring to see refugees die in war/(live in poor conditions in camps) partly justifying it with reasons like that they're illiterate.. disgust, hate and fear?

  On 1/10/2016 at 6:59 PM, azatoth said:

I am looking forward to reading dleet's 1000 page manuscript found among all his animes when the police release it after his murderous rampage against all the shadowy lizard people around him.

Wonder if it'll be Francis E. Dec quality

Then someone on WATMM can record themselves reading it and make some lush post breakcore with samples of it

  On 1/11/2016 at 4:12 PM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/11/2016 at 4:00 PM, Deer said:

you and delte and the people in your camp love to use the word emotional to dismiss the other camp (im sure the other camp has its word to dismiss your camp too), i just think its the easy way out, its the equivalent of covering your ears and going "nah nah i can't listen to what you are saying"

 

maybe it will help if you guys define what you mean by emotional, cause the way i see it these type subjects are full of passion and emotion on both sides so i dont know what you mean.

 

Wow, so in your opinion I have not posted any relevant argument in this topic? I just "dismissed the other camp"? What? I have been trying my best to discuss constructively for days in this thread. Stupid me.

 

Boo's latest post was definitely emotional in my book and even to that post I have tried to react by using constructive arguments.

 

This thread is done. I am out.

 

lol how the fuck did you came to that conclusion?, you did both, you made your arguments while also telling the other side that "they are being emotional"

Boo is just making a counter-argument, this is how this works, if what you want is an echochamber for your views then i can give you the names of members you can PM.

The problem jev is that your stance is negative as fuck (not dismissing it) and most people dont like to have that much negative in their life so they choose a different approach, a more humanitarian approach, is it naive? maybe but its valid and if you ask me would i rather go to the grave knowing that i gave everyone on earth the benefit of the doubt.

I believe in having all the facts and then approaching the problem in the most humanitarian way possible, will europe be isis control by the end of the century? its a fear but should be allow fear to control the way we see strangers ? (its logical i get it but meh i dont like it for my soul)

but your opinion is as valid as anyone so dont take it the wrong way

  On 1/11/2016 at 4:18 PM, boo said:

I think it's compassion that is the issue here. Basically one side is compassionate and the other is not. There must be some emotion behind preferring to see refugees die in war/(live in poor conditions in camps) partly justifying it with reasons like that they're illiterate.. disgust, hate and fear?

One-sided compassion is indifferent to the other side. A pretty cruel, suicidal way of thinking in my book. I have suggested solutions that would save many refugees yet kept the rescuing side relatively safe. You propose a sacrifice.

I have proposed actually the most humane solution because I am compassionate to both sides. But the laws of universe are a cruel bitch and we can only operate within those limits.

I tried my best to stay in the healthy middle in this issue. The whole issue is desperate as fuck.

No more energy for this. Sorry.

Thanks all for the discussion.

Taking in refugees is just something that has to happen, of course ones who commit crimes should be sent back and that's all that's needed really, give them that warning on arrival and explain local law. I just think that scape-goating refugees en masse is the most self-defeating or "suicidal" thing we can do. Who would assimilate to a culture of impenetrable coldness and hostility? Luckily there are welcoming areas in the west.

  On 1/11/2016 at 4:12 PM, Jev said:

 

  On 1/11/2016 at 4:00 PM, Deer said:

 

This thread is done. I am out.

 

i agree, these type of thread are demonic in nature, so is isis and dogma (who takes advantage of our most primal and disgusting human behavior to survive and strive), the world is full of demonic forces, dont know how to combat it, best way i guess is live our lives the best way we can and when these demons kock on our door fight to the death while trying to preserve the most beautiful aspects of human nature.

I also feel there is something about human psychology we need to figure out and that will be the solution

  On 1/11/2016 at 5:06 PM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

 

  On 1/11/2016 at 4:46 PM, boo said:

Taking in refugees is just something that has to happen, of course ones who commit crimes should be sent back and that's all that's needed really, give them that warning on arrival and explain local law. I just think that scape-goating refugees en masse is the most self-defeating or "suicidal" thing we can do. Who would assimilate to a culture of impenetrable coldness and hostility? Luckily there are welcoming areas in the west.

aye +1

 

the sending back people who commit crimes part can be a little sketchy though. where do you draw the line for a crime that should result in this?

 

you've pretty much betrayed the trust of the country that let you in if you break the law haven't you?

I mean yeah lol

If you commit sexual assault within a month of a country taking you in, you don't deserve citizenship. Would you expect to retain your citizenship after pulling shit like that? Would you feel that you deserved citizenship?

My bleeding heart clots right up when it comes to the rights of opportunistic monsters who coordinate mass sexual assault and robbery in the country that just let them in. (I don't know exactly where the line is, but it ain't even within walking distance of this shit)

I bet this thread is a right old jolly knees up

http://jpost.com/International/North-African-men-attempt-to-stone-transgender-women-in-German-city-441695#article=6017OUFFRDA3QTQyMzI4MkFCQjYyOTM2Qzk4MEUxNzBEQjg=

What the actual fuck

No

Edit: Please no

Yeah if you're going to try and kill a tranny, at least do it the good old fashioned american way, am i right limpy?

  On 1/17/2016 at 3:11 AM, LimpyLoo said:

http://jpost.com/International/North-African-men-attempt-to-stone-transgender-women-in-German-city-441695#article=6017OUFFRDA3QTQyMzI4MkFCQjYyOTM2Qzk4MEUxNzBEQjg=

What the actual fuck

agreed. this website has multiple grills when viewed from an iPad.

First, a dismissable grill which tells you that there's an app for that.

Then, a navigation bar nobody needs because the only useful navigation is to close the tab.

Then, to top it off, occasionally there's another bar sliding out, with the purpose of telling you what the "next article" is. This bar will slide out if you scroll up a little, what a clever little bar it is! Except, why would one scroll up a little? To read a few lines of extra text innit? This little bar will poop on that party.

GREAT WEBSITE

lol

Websites GONE WILD

that news site has in my opinion left what could be described as a website and essentially entered 'popup' territory.

((slowly realizing this isn't the websites with grills page))

  On 1/17/2016 at 6:27 AM, chenGOD said:

Yeah if you're going to try and kill a tranny, at least do it the good old fashioned american way, am i right limpy?

They were probably Muslim immigrants too. The liberal media must've left that bit out because they didn't want to offend anyone. Political correctness gone MAD!

  On 1/17/2016 at 6:27 AM, chenGOD said:

Yeah if you're going to try and kill a tranny, at least do it the good old fashioned american way, am i right limpy?

yeah, american's attacking transgender people in america, is exactly the same as north african migrants attacking transgender germans in germany. chenGOD (king of logic) to the rescue once again.

  On 1/17/2016 at 6:27 AM, chenGOD said:

Yeah if you're going to try and kill a tranny, at least do it the good old fashioned american way, am i right limpy?

"The caller gave police a name - Pedro Redding - and said he was known for committing robberies in the neighborhood.

And he lived on the same block where, in the early hours of Tuesday morning, 22-year-old Kiesha Jenkins had been beaten, robbed, and shot to death.

Police stopped Redding on Sunday morning and took him into custody, homicide Capt. James Clark said at a news conference Monday.

Redding, 24, gave a statement to police implicating three other men in the crime. They were still on the loose Monday night.

Clark said Redding did not shoot Jenkins, but "had the idea to rob her when he saw her."

Nevertheless, Redding was charged with murder, conspiracy, and related offenses. He was arraigned Monday and was denied bail.

Jenkins, who lived in Grays Ferry with her family, had just gotten out of a car at 13th and Wingohocking Streets when Redding and three other men set upon her, police said. They surrounded her, punching and kicking her.

Jenkins, Clark said, fought back. That's when one of the men pulled out a gun and fired two shots into her back.

"She gave a valiant fight, and that is why one of them pulled out a gun," Clark said."

http://articles.philly.com/2015-10-14/news/67381914_1_transgender-woman-other-transgender-people-transphobia