Germany NYE attacks

Muslims aren't into any cool stuff they can bring with them to make us like them.

 

Except curry.

 

But they already did that ages ago.

  On 1/8/2016 at 9:37 PM, Amen Warrior said:

Muslims aren't into any cool stuff they can bring with them to make us like them.

 

Except curry.

 

But they already did that ages ago.

Their music and art is pretty badass...

 

 

Anyway, I implore you all to give 13 minutes of your time letting Douglas Murray bend your ear on the matter of cultural relativism and Western masochism. Without hyperbole, I think he's probably the most eloquent and clear-headed speaker on this suite of topics:

 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7CBFZJCBg

 

(Politics aside, he is worth watching simply for the concision and sheer clarity of his point-making...)

 

 

"AHHHHHHH" -Marilyn Manson

  On 1/8/2016 at 9:06 PM, Jev said:

  On 1/8/2016 at 8:49 PM, goDel said:

 

What is culture for you? Where is the defining point? Is it a nation? Is it a china town? Is it your neighbour family? Or is it an individual?

Because I fail to see multiculturalism in cases where the differences between various cultures are not significant (they prefer wine, we prefer beer).

 

Can you name some of the most prominent cultural differences between the Spanish, the English, the French and the Germans during that times? Do you have an example of a cultural dispute between them?

 

Interesting debate, thanks.

 

 

I think I have a very broad idea about what cultures are. But within this period (beginning of US) it's mostly a region with a specific language, religion(s), governmental structure, shared history/identity, set of technologies specific to the region, shared economy, shared views on art/music. Even if all these different aspects don't always exactly overlap on one another, there's often a territorial divide.

 

In the case of europe, religion and language seem the most obvious and important examples of cultural differences. Like you say, resources, influence and power also play an important role. And region where a certain kind of power and influence is established often overlap with the mentioned territorial divides. So I don't think the "but that's just influence/power and not culture" argument is a real counter argument. As these things can be very related, imo.

 

Because culture and for instance ethnicity are hard to define concepts, it's also interesting to consider the genetic side of things. If you look at the different haplogroups for instance, the map of europe looks like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_in_European_populations

 

And in terms of languages:

 

And without the migration of recent times, the haplogroups and cultures can have strong associations. As can been seen here:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

 

Look at the bottom of the page where you can find links to each haplogroup. Each haplogroup is associated with an ethnic group.

  On 1/8/2016 at 10:38 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/8/2016 at 9:37 PM, Amen Warrior said:

Muslims aren't into any cool stuff they can bring with them to make us like them.

 

Except curry.

 

But they already did that ages ago.

Their music and art is pretty badass...

 

 

Anyway, I implore you all to give 13 minutes of your time letting Douglas Murray bend your ear on the matter of cultural relativism and Western masochism. Without hyperbole, I think he's probably the most eloquent and clear-headed speaker on this suite of topics:

 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0Z7CBFZJCBg

 

(Politics aside, he is worth watching simply for the concision and sheer clarity of his point-making...)

 

 

"AHHHHHHH" -Marilyn Manson

 

if he'd talk about how western states do x and y better than islamic states then it would be reasonable, but asserting some vast and universal superiority of western values, whatever the fuck it means, sound pretty damn idiotic. Edited January 8, 2016 by eugene

I don't have an opinion really other than I read somewhere you can sort of make yourself less racist/xenophobic by you know, reading a Wikipedia article about a person of x ethnic group who did something great, basically having more positive thoughts about them floating around in your head. So here's something I find cool that middle eastern people made

 

http://50watts.com/Aliyah-in-Wonderland-Arabic-Children-s-Books

 

also Arabic people made a lot of advances in trigonometry I think?? So they indirectly helped in the invention of DSP and teh IDMs

 

and curry

 

Edit: ignore the one with uncle sam and some jewish guy. or don't, just deal wit it

Edited January 8, 2016 by Ragnar

these events are similar to the whole mess of phobias around British Pakistani sex grooming gangs that certain tabloids have reiterated to the point of propaganda in recent years

 

it stains whole populations through projecting fear onto an entire ethnic group

 

there are cunts in every society and even though Cologne has a beautiful cathedral and the market stalls are all sweet & picturesque, "street crime" has always been a problem around the station

 

(so many rrrrrrockin Krautrock bands have risen out of the city, thats the 1 specific reason i even visited)

http://www.storyofmathematics.com/islamic.html

  On 1/8/2016 at 11:28 PM, eugene said:

if he'd talk about how western states do x and y better than islamic states then it would be reasonable, but asserting some vast and universal superiority of western values, whatever the fuck it means, sound pretty damn idiotic.

 

You must've missed the part where he...y'know...does just that.

 

 

"AHHHHHHH" -Marilyn Manson

  On 1/8/2016 at 11:45 PM, Ragnar said:

http://www.storyofmathematics.com/islamic.html

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Fl1nJC3lvFs

 

 

"AHHHHHHH" -Marilyn Manson

western men do the exact same stuff to women (grope drug rape pillage) but the difference is they believe in delayed gratification.

 

here, if a girl gets abused/raped by an athlete(s), well you know what happens.

 

other cultures (india, "northern africa", middle east) just go right for what (they think) they want.

 

but all anyone truly wants is love. we are just confused at how to foster it and what that looks like.

 

also, some places are just horrible places for women, and these are the places these attackers are coming from, unfort, but tru

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/28/in-pakistan-honor-killings-claim-1000-womens-lives-annually-why-is-this-still-happening/

  On 1/9/2016 at 12:31 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/8/2016 at 11:45 PM, Ragnar said:

http://www.storyofmathematics.com/islamic.html

 

 

"AHHHHHHH" -Marilyn Manson

 

 

the comments on that youtube are almost as bad as dis topic

  On 1/9/2016 at 12:28 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/8/2016 at 11:28 PM, eugene said:

if he'd talk about how western states do x and y better than islamic states then it would be reasonable, but asserting some vast and universal superiority of western values, whatever the fuck it means, sound pretty damn idiotic.

 

You must've missed the part where he...y'know...does just that.

 

 

"AHHHHHHH" -Marilyn Manson

 

must be because it's doesnt actually exist in the video.

lets ask RDJ what he thinks... oh wait yeah he's busy not jumping to horrible conclusions and being awesome making music from the year 5000

WATMM: The intellectual collapse of IDM

  On 1/9/2016 at 1:19 AM, Ragnar said:

oh wait yeah he's busy not jumping to horrible conclusions

 

yeah, about that...

At least when all those nice rastas came over in the 50s and 60s they brought their soundsystems and recreational drugs and interesting food for sainsburys to sell in the world foods aisle.

  On 1/9/2016 at 1:37 AM, ThatSpanishGuy said:

 

  On 1/9/2016 at 1:19 AM, Ragnar said:

oh wait yeah he's busy not jumping to horrible conclusions

 

yeah, about that...

 

 

non-trolling conclusions

to be clear i meant the RDJ that comes across through his music, not interview RDJ. The one who seems very open to different music around the world (like some review said CCAI EP is basically like pop gamelan music) as opposed to being stockhausen concerned with post-african repetitions

cringes at thought of alternate universe where RDJ is obsessed with making purely cornish/the essence of cornish music/cornwall being pinnacle of civilization

richard complete aschews the acid house influence because he doesn't want to be associated with those gays

  On 1/8/2016 at 11:45 PM, cwmbrancity said:

these events are similar to the whole mess of phobias around British Pakistani sex grooming gangs that certain tabloids have reiterated to the point of propaganda in recent years

 

it stains whole populations through projecting fear onto an entire ethnic group

 

 

which is worse, justified outrage which spills out and attacks innocents, or fear of causing offence which leads to cover ups and failure to investigate crimes which leads to the rape of children?

I wonder how Douglas Murray feels about Kim Davis?

  On 1/9/2016 at 2:07 AM, caze said:

 

  On 1/8/2016 at 11:45 PM, cwmbrancity said:

these events are similar to the whole mess of phobias around British Pakistani sex grooming gangs that certain tabloids have reiterated to the point of propaganda in recent years

 

it stains whole populations through projecting fear onto an entire ethnic group

 

 

which is worse, justified outrage which spills out and attacks innocents, or fear of causing offence which leads to cover ups and failure to investigate crimes which leads to the rape of children?

 

 

 

i'll take justified outrage for $500 alex

  On 1/9/2016 at 1:13 AM, eugene said:

 

  On 1/9/2016 at 12:28 AM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 1/8/2016 at 11:28 PM, eugene said:

if he'd talk about how western states do x and y better than islamic states then it would be reasonable, but asserting some vast and universal superiority of western values, whatever the fuck it means, sound pretty damn idiotic.

 

You must've missed the part where he...y'know...does just that.

 

 

"AHHHHHHH" -Marilyn Manson

 

must be because it's doesnt actually exist in the video.

 

he mentioned three important things, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of sexual identity.

  On 1/9/2016 at 2:09 AM, Ragnar said:

 

  On 1/9/2016 at 2:07 AM, caze said:

 

  On 1/8/2016 at 11:45 PM, cwmbrancity said:

these events are similar to the whole mess of phobias around British Pakistani sex grooming gangs that certain tabloids have reiterated to the point of propaganda in recent years

 

it stains whole populations through projecting fear onto an entire ethnic group

 

 

which is worse, justified outrage which spills out and attacks innocents, or fear of causing offence which leads to cover ups and failure to investigate crimes which leads to the rape of children?

 

 

 

i'll take justified outrage for $500 alex

 

 

sorry, that is the wrong answer. thanks for participating, you only win a mug though.

  On 1/9/2016 at 2:09 AM, chenGOD said:

I wonder how Douglas Murray feels about Kim Davis?

 

I'm positive he thinks she's a terrible person.

hay guys remember P.L.U.R.

 

P L U R