Testosterone levels

You're changing the parameters there. Of course in later life if you put more strain on a system it could be liable to have problems. Same way people die on toilet or during sex. I don't think it's anything to do with cortisol. It also doesn't account for the longterm benefits to cardiovascular health while at rest as a result of training.

Cardiovascular exercise is hugely net beneficial to one's health I don't think that can be disputed.

I am a doctor though v inexperienced. It's still no coincidence that cv exercise is cornerstone of so many health guidelines. I've some friends who are a lot more into sports med who might be able to link some interesting research, I'm no expert in it.

I think we should make a distinction between healthy amounts of exercise (30 minutes a day-ish, moderate) and the people I'm trying to describe (marathon runners, excessive weightlifting etc).

Definitely not suggesting cardio is unhealthy, just that the people MOST would consider above average health may actually be at greater risk. 

Just a quick search on "cortisol from weight lifting" or "marathon runners + artery plaque" comes up with lots of interesting reading. edit: I think for endurance athletes part of (not all of) the increased risk was due to artery hardening. For weight lifting my understanding is there is an increased cortisol release after over-training and this is actually catabolic + estrogen inducing, hampering your efforts. 

Unfortunately we seem to live in an age where the latest and greatest in the world of health seems to be overturned in short stride. That + information overload make it often difficult to know what's fact and what's "fact for the week". =(

For the record: peace made a remark about getting a belly when working-out too long. 

whatever the effect on cardiovascular stuff, it's pretty straightforward to observe the bodies of long distance runners: skinny AF. whether or not their heart is damaged by too much exercise is another issue, i'd argue.

if you want to break down fat, low intensity endurance exercise is the way to go. you might want to work on developing your muscles (short exercises! weights) as well, in order to improve (the speed of) your metabolic system. but body fat is - generally speaking -  only used in long low intensity training sessions.

whether or not people should do longer low intensity sessions depends on a lot of things, btw. it's not a silver bullet. but i'd add to that, there is none to start with. and yes, too long is not good.

  On 2/11/2018 at 7:48 PM, goDel said:

 

  On 12/21/2017 at 6:40 AM, peace 7 said:

Too much exercise also results in elevated cortisol production, which gives men that lovely belly.

 

So if you want max test levels and rippling muscles, you gotta work out fucking hard- but for short periods- and rest really well.  3 hour gym sessions ain't good for anybody, unless you're on gear.

 

what!? how many long distance runners/cyclists/swimmers/whatever do you know with a belly? a distinction between lifting weights in a gym and actual training might be in place here.

 

in general, it's the long distance athletes being uber low-fat skinny. (not sure about their test levels though)

 

agreeing that being 3 hours in a gym (lifting weights) is not right though. no argument there. 

 

Yah- the belly thing was referring to "people who lift", trying to max their gains by eating 3000 to 5000+ calories a day, and spending several hours in the gym a day, and not on gear.

Crafting the body into a masterpiece of human aesthetics is some mind fuckery where less can be more, and it almost does not compute.  That'd be like if Dr. Mike Paradinas said to you that if work on music less, you'll finish more albums.  Then you'd reply that your albums are lacking, because you don't work on music enough.  Then he'd bring up "efficiency".  Then you'd realize that all you do is smoke weed for 7 hours and get tired, writing about 1 minute of music.  That's 1 minute per 7 hours.  And then paying yourself in IDM dollars at $50/hour, that's $1,400 a 4 minute track, but really what happens is you EQ that shit until your golden ears turn to butter, conceptual gel gets washy, and by the time the track is actually done- it might be great- but you end up having to pay yourself like $5,000+ IDM dollars per track.  And it's hard to pay yourself so much when you're not paying yourself enough to pay yourself.  But then you start to exercise more and craft your body, which actually ups efficiency of music production, and then you realize that Dr. Paradinas' concept of "efficiency" in music is holistic.  So then to get more IDM gains, you start eating 3000 to 5000+ calories a day, spend several hours in the gym a day, and you refuse steroids cuz your heart is too IDM.  Then motherfucking you're back at step 1, with a fat belly due to excess cortisol production, you're burnt out, irritable, and of course, this leads to writing less music.

I write the above casually, but this is some serious shit.

  On 2/14/2018 at 3:05 AM, peace 7 said:

Yah- the belly thing was referring to "people who lift", trying to max their gains by eating 3000 to 5000+ calories a day, and spending several hours in the gym a day, and not on gear.

dudes get into lifting for health or to look good or whatever, but the more you do it the more the sensation of lifting itself starts to feel like the real reward, and your goal becomes just being able to lift heavier objects & get more of that satisfying "intense" feeling. the things you were originally lifting for start to seem like lowly societal conditioning trying to tempt you from the virtuous path. you turn into a big fat musclehulk. 170 pound dudes with low body fat% look like sticks to you now because they can still touch their own backs

i mean like i can feel the temptation there whenever i go to the gym, to just say "fukkit" & start slamming back four cartons of eggs a day in pursuit of crazy mass. luckily i'm also into yoga & dancing which favour lightness//balance//flexibility & thus balance that compulsion out

Not totally relevant but I'm fat. 

It sucks

  On 2/14/2018 at 3:16 AM, Cryptowen said:

 

  On 2/14/2018 at 3:05 AM, peace 7 said:

Yah- the belly thing was referring to "people who lift", trying to max their gains by eating 3000 to 5000+ calories a day, and spending several hours in the gym a day, and not on gear.

this is totally a thing yah

dudes get into lifting for health or to look good or whatever, but the more you do it the more the sensation of lifting itself starts to feel like the real reward, and your goal becomes just being able to lift heavier objects & get more of that satisfying "intense" feeling. the things you were originally lifting for start to seem like lowly societal conditioning trying to tempt you from the virtuous path. you turn into a big fat musclehulk. 170 pound dudes with low body fat% look like sticks to you now because they can still touch their own backs

 

i mean like i can feel the temptation there whenever i go to the gym, to just say "fukkit" & start slamming back four cartons of eggs a day in pursuit of crazy mass. luckily i'm also into yoga & dancing which favour lightness//balance//flexibility & thus balance that compulsion out

 

So

how much do u lift

  On 2/14/2018 at 3:05 AM, peace 7 said:

 

  On 2/11/2018 at 7:48 PM, goDel said:

 

  On 12/21/2017 at 6:40 AM, peace 7 said:

Too much exercise also results in elevated cortisol production, which gives men that lovely belly.

 

So if you want max test levels and rippling muscles, you gotta work out fucking hard- but for short periods- and rest really well.  3 hour gym sessions ain't good for anybody, unless you're on gear.

 

what!? how many long distance runners/cyclists/swimmers/whatever do you know with a belly? a distinction between lifting weights in a gym and actual training might be in place here.

 

in general, it's the long distance athletes being uber low-fat skinny. (not sure about their test levels though)

 

agreeing that being 3 hours in a gym (lifting weights) is not right though. no argument there. 

 

 

Yah- the belly thing was referring to "people who lift", trying to max their gains by eating 3000 to 5000+ calories a day, and spending several hours in the gym a day, and not on gear.

 

Crafting the body into a masterpiece of human aesthetics is some mind fuckery where less can be more, and it almost does not compute.  That'd be like if Dr. Mike Paradinas said to you that if work on music less, you'll finish more albums.  Then you'd reply that your albums are lacking, because you don't work on music enough.  Then he'd bring up "efficiency".  Then you'd realize that all you do is smoke weed for 7 hours and get tired, writing about 1 minute of music.  That's 1 minute per 7 hours.  And then paying yourself in IDM dollars at $50/hour, that's $1,400 a 4 minute track, but really what happens is you EQ that shit until your golden ears turn to butter, conceptual gel gets washy, and by the time the track is actually done- it might be great- but you end up having to pay yourself like $5,000+ IDM dollars per track.  And it's hard to pay yourself so much when you're not paying yourself enough to pay yourself.  But then you start to exercise more and craft your body, which actually ups efficiency of music production, and then you realize that Dr. Paradinas' concept of "efficiency" in music is holistic.  So then to get more IDM gains, you start eating 3000 to 5000+ calories a day, spend several hours in the gym a day, and you refuse steroids cuz your heart is too IDM.  Then motherfucking you're back at step 1, with a fat belly due to excess cortisol production, you're burnt out, irritable, and of course, this leads to writing less music.

 

I write the above casually, but this is some serious shit.

 

Lol this is so Japanese. Having to pay to yourself for your own freetime

  On 2/14/2018 at 11:15 AM, cheeseburgerwalrus said:

So

how much do u lift

BABY WEIGHTS :[

but i've only been serious about putting on muscle since mid-September. before that i was mostly just going to the gym to lose fat (lost 40ish pounds in 2017 & haven't put any back on despite lifts getting stronger woop woop noob gains)

My OHP is 45kg. Squat & Diddly 70kg. these are what I'm comfortable doing 3x5 of, I'm very careful about increasing the lifts, still on a pretty strict cut since I started out. Having any progress at all, especially in the OHP which is my favorite, is fun. I also do 45kg barbell rows which gets you a SICK pump!

I try to balance lifting with cardio training, my resting pulse is now in the low 60s which is a first and very exciting for me. Hope to make 50s within the year.

Chim - my resting heart rate is REALLY bad - usually 75-80.

That's alcohol though - last summer I spent a week with basically zero drinks and it was at 60 by the end of the week.

50s would be great.

it looks like you guys are approaching the teste development from the heavy lifting side.. I’m not doing that at all, but trying to do bodyweight HIIT more intensely / often recently..

I cycle a fuckton, resting rate is 50bpm, my legs are sexy af, but the arms / upper body look a bit flimsy in comparison... not easy to get proportions balanced lol.

  On 2/14/2018 at 8:09 PM, phling said:

it looks like you guys are approaching the teste development from the heavy lifting side.. I’m not doing that at all, but trying to do bodyweight HIIT more intensely / often recently..

 

I cycle a fuckton, resting rate is 50bpm, my legs are sexy af, but the arms / upper body look a bit flimsy in comparison... not easy to get proportions balanced lol.

It's the other way around with me. My legs loose the sexy look pretty quick during winter when I don't bicycle as much. It seems my body pulls weight out of my legs first which is really annoying. Need moar squats I guess.

  On 2/14/2018 at 8:09 PM, phling said:

it looks like you guys are approaching the teste development from the heavy lifting side.. I’m not doing that at all, but trying to do bodyweight HIIT more intensely / often recently..

 

I cycle a fuckton, resting rate is 50bpm, my legs are sexy af, but the arms / upper body look a bit flimsy in comparison... not easy to get proportions balanced lol.

phling rn

  On 2/14/2018 at 8:09 PM, phling said:

it looks like you guys are approaching the teste development from the heavy lifting side.. 

Nah not at all.. fukk lifting (honest). Here's how to do it (wit a presciprson)

  On 2/14/2018 at 10:01 PM, cheeseburgerwalrus said:

fukk lifting (honest)

how dare

  On 2/14/2018 at 10:03 PM, Cryptowen said:

 

  On 2/14/2018 at 10:01 PM, cheeseburgerwalrus said:

fukk lifting (honest)

how dare u

 

soz (bro) wasn't anything personal!!!! jus never tried lifting (honest) so i duno what it like . ijust don't like the *bang*noises the weigghtds make when they hit the floor

  On 2/15/2018 at 2:18 AM, cheeseburgerwalrus said:

 

  On 2/14/2018 at 10:03 PM, Cryptowen said:

 

  On 2/14/2018 at 10:01 PM, cheeseburgerwalrus said:

fukk lifting (honest)

how dare u

 

 jus never tried lifting (honest)  

 

no wonder t level low

  On 2/15/2018 at 2:18 AM, cheeseburgerwalrus said:

 

  On 2/14/2018 at 10:03 PM, Cryptowen said:

 

  On 2/14/2018 at 10:01 PM, cheeseburgerwalrus said:

fukk lifting (honest)

how dare u

 

 ijust don't like the *bang*noises the weigghtds make when they hit the floor

 

result of low t level

lol.(jk cheesey)

  On 2/14/2018 at 11:15 AM, cheeseburgerwalrus said:

 

  On 2/14/2018 at 3:16 AM, Cryptowen said:

 

  On 2/14/2018 at 3:05 AM, peace 7 said:

Yah- the belly thing was referring to "people who lift", trying to max their gains by eating 3000 to 5000+ calories a day, and spending several hours in the gym a day, and not on gear.

this is totally a thing yah

dudes get into lifting for health or to look good or whatever, but the more you do it the more the sensation of lifting itself starts to feel like the real reward, and your goal becomes just being able to lift heavier objects & get more of that satisfying "intense" feeling. the things you were originally lifting for start to seem like lowly societal conditioning trying to tempt you from the virtuous path. you turn into a big fat musclehulk. 170 pound dudes with low body fat% look like sticks to you now because they can still touch their own backs

 

i mean like i can feel the temptation there whenever i go to the gym, to just say "fukkit" & start slamming back four cartons of eggs a day in pursuit of crazy mass. luckily i'm also into yoga & dancing which favour lightness//balance//flexibility & thus balance that compulsion out

 

So

how much do u lift

 

When I do a handstand, I carry the Earth above my head, so I'm pretty fucking strong, if that's what you want to know.

lol that... is an amazing response.

you can only do that without a flappy belly though. can't balance the force with a flappy belly. or so i've heard

You know what pumps testosterone?

Driving a V6 fast, at night, on a mountain pass road, with Crystal Method playing loud. With a hot woman sitting next to you.

Can't argue with that. 

Except my car's a V8 broski.

You know what pumps testosterone?

Sniffin your own farts while touching your peen