squarepusher Is anyone REALLY pushing things?

I think many of us go through different phases in our music tastes, and after spending a while listening to more ' regular' bands, 90s electronic music, and the (arguably somewhat nostalgic) newer releases by Aphex Twin/Squarepusher/Ae/Vibert/Jega etc., I'd like to hear something really unashamedly ambitious, challenging, and experimental. I don't mean punkish or crazy or noisy or breakcore-ey - I mean something chin-strokingly, brain meltingly weird and wonderful. Something incredibly nerdy (for want of a better word) following in the way of Autechre's most extreme and detailed moments. It can be as difficult as Cage or Schoenberg or Stockhausen or Xenakis or whoever, but from today, using today's technology. I recently heard some Komet, Ryoji Ikeda and Alva Noto and Byetone and a couple of other white noise glitchy mathematical sine-wave folk, and they sounded great, but not quite alien enough for what my ears are after right at this phase.

There seems to be a bit of - I don't know - an ironic wink to what the old timers are doing now, a kind of nostalgic sigh, almost an embarrassed glance backwards, which is understandable, but it'd be great to hear someone who wasn't self-conscious about wanting to push things forwards.

Can anyone recommend anyone? I think what did it was hearing Confield the other day.

  On 10/18/2009 at 1:21 PM, analogue wings said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh_1NWbeA7Y

lol?

threshold houseboys choir

"be happy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i7kT5irWDs

"as x is to geff"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2ZJm7Duvsc&feature=related

live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llP-yeVMZLQ&feature=related

soisong

"dtorumi"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPVfiFffKbw&feature=PlayList&p=D3556DC5713C56B9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=26

live

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFJlDaZ7jmI

  On 10/18/2009 at 1:21 PM, analogue wings said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh_1NWbeA7Y

i actually really liked this and didnt think i would.

Oh god, it's the return of Lianne. The arty farty drunkard who has staggered home from the student union, switched on her computer to ask Is there anyone "REALLY" pushing things?

Lianne: With her user name which broke the boundaries of IDM.

Lianne: With a post history less palatable than a shit smeared wall.

Lianne: In her little warp bubble, namedropping artists on other labels as if she's ever heard them

Lianne: Firing out cliches faster than a bullet into her studenty brain

Lianne: Wording sentences as if she was writing for Pitchfork, firing out adjectives faster than Awepittance

Lianne

must you always be such a cock?

  On 10/18/2009 at 3:45 PM, Z_B_Z said:

must you always be such a cock?

it's his internet persona, it's "funny"

its annoying.

You dont have to agree with everything i say, but in this instance i had to say something. I Just find liannes observations tiresome and inaccurate.

Good topic!

Check out the touch label, most of their rooster is top notch! Best experimental music label on the planet. Rosy Parlane for example, check out his track Jessamine Part Three.

http://www.touchmusic.org.uk/

First....there's "that one guy" who's opened up for buckethead...he needs no explination, yes that's an instrument he built..wait till he starts rockign around 2:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHARKy6af_g

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I'm not sure this response exactly what you were looking for from yourpost, but here's my best attempt, i've got more i want to suggest will have to later.

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Mike patton usually is, he's going through kind of a pop phase right now to make some cash i suppose.

Mr. Bungle however. Maybe not "innovate by being original" as they borrowed from many different forms of music, but their meshing of that created something very unique and mike patton (imo) is one of the lesser self conscious artists about his music.

Also not "new" as it's from the 90's but I bet if they reformed it would be amazing.

Peeping tom live incorporated a punk band, with a female beatboxer (Butterscotch), Dan the Automator doing the dj'ing/scratching (nice guy too), and rahzel on occasion (beatboxer). All this with mike patton's craziness was quite innovateive imo even if you don't like the music. Also a lot of people could take a page out of mike's book on how to put on a good performance,

*ps - lol my niece and her barbie are dancing to this

One more Bungle:

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Then of course there is Dj'ing as an art form and not just mixing and scracthing if you're into that:

Fast forward to about 2:44

and of course and forget Kid koala's drunk trumpet

try some janek schaefer, it's kind of jeck-like. there is a cool album up on the KILLED in CARS blog. the blog features a lot of older, more academic/avant garde-type (a loose generalisation) records

Dopplereffekt.

A quote from Jon Wozencroft (Touch) : “I think the idea that you have to do something ‘new’ all the time is one of the great diseases of contemporary culture. Part of doing something new is also to have a sense of time and tradition and what’s gone before; I think it’s boring as hell to think that everything has to reinvent itself in three month cycles.”

good quote. the idea that one has to do something new every three months almost never translates into an actuality. in that mind frame,'newness' never happens, regardless of of intentions. i like the idea of respecting and incorporating whats come before you. no one lives in a vacuum and we're all a part of a lineage. at the end of the day, originality happens by accepting your past influences and journeying deep into yourself.

word up to that quote... i'm at that point of my life where nothing blows me away anymore. it comes down to either i like it or i don't!

The new Broadcast is steeped in 60s and 70s psychedelia and library music, but it's one of the weirder albums I've heard this year.

Richard Divine?

[sarcasm]IT'S ALL ABOUT T PAIN, MOTHAFUCKAS!!!![/sarcasm]

  On 10/18/2009 at 4:03 PM, Z_B_Z said:

its annoying.

there is a feature on this forum called 'ignore user' very easy to turn on in fact

  On 10/18/2009 at 6:36 PM, k h o v said:

A quote from Jon Wozencroft (Touch) : “I think the idea that you have to do something ‘new’ all the time is one of the great diseases of contemporary culture. Part of doing something new is also to have a sense of time and tradition and what’s gone before; I think it’s boring as hell to think that everything has to reinvent itself in three month cycles.”

i think this is different from 'pushing things' as the original poster said. The owner of Touch isn't using the term 'new' to mean pushing new boundries. If he is then its a rather silly quote coming from someone who runs a label that has several artists on it who strive to push the envelope constantly. And even on the quote's face, if he did just mean 'new' i also think it's a little curmudgeonly. People who complain about other people taking the extra leap to be creative are bewildering to me.

I did a search recently and was surprised not to have found any discussion of Eight Frozen Modules, aka Kenneth James Gibson. I discovered him 2-3 years ago and found his music pretty mind-bending. Now I'm not saying he reinvented the wheel, but listening to him feels like your brain is being rewired. I would say his style is a combination of Autechre, Venetian Snares, and Richard Devine (though not as clinical) and some Aphex of course. He only has 3 vids on YouTube, and only "Lifestyle Drugs" is really a good representation of his style. But there's better.

Quoting from the last.fm profile: "Listening to 8 Frozen Modules is the aural equivalent of removing one’s brain, slicing it very finely, and reinserting in random order. Ghostly melodies string together the warped, stutter-stepped, fractionalized beats, which cover electro and dancehall terrains with equal aplomb."

The dancehall comment only applies to one of his EPs, really. He has 6 albums and 3 EPs, I recommend these:

Random Activities and Broken Sunsets

Thought Process Disorder

Clinically Yours

Crumbling & Responding

DJ, Riddim & Source EP (pretty twisted dancehall feel here, with some MC)

Pushing what?

The boundaries?

You want some alien shit!?

here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gov-ipPQ4ZQ

I'm always finding new artists from through out the 20th and 21st century that sound completely unique.

Lots of musicians were really "pushing", but their urges to push were never heard, or it simply caused more splits in linearity of musical development.