squarepusher Is anyone REALLY pushing things?

  On 10/18/2009 at 9:31 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 10/18/2009 at 6:36 PM, k h o v said:

A quote from Jon Wozencroft (Touch) : “I think the idea that you have to do something ‘new’ all the time is one of the great diseases of contemporary culture. Part of doing something new is also to have a sense of time and tradition and what’s gone before; I think it’s boring as hell to think that everything has to reinvent itself in three month cycles.”

 

i think this is different from 'pushing things' as the original poster said. The owner of Touch isn't using the term 'new' to mean pushing new boundries. If he is then its a rather silly quote coming from someone who runs a label that has several artists on it who strive to push the envelope constantly. And even on the quote's face, if he did just mean 'new' i also think it's a little curmudgeonly. People who complain about other people taking the extra leap to be creative are bewildering to me.

i have mixed thought about it. i admire Autechre moves from Amber to Confield for exemple. But honestly, speaking about Touch, i also admires the "creative boundries" of artists like BJ Nilsen or Philip Jeck & i dont really rate them as truly avant-garde. Same with Selected Ambient Works II, it wasn' really new for its time (1994) and obviously inspired by Eno (1978), but as an album its just a brutal masterpiece. I dont consider the "new thing" as a criteria of quality even (if EP7 totally blew my head back in 1999).

btw, if you're looking for great electronic albums, try "The short night" by bjnilsen or "sand" by philip jeck.

  On 10/18/2009 at 2:59 PM, LUDD said:

  On 10/18/2009 at 1:21 PM, analogue wings said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh_1NWbeA7Y

 

 

 

 

 

lol?

Fuck off

  On 10/18/2009 at 8:51 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 10/18/2009 at 4:03 PM, Z_B_Z said:

its annoying.

 

there is a feature on this forum called 'ignore user' very easy to turn on in fact

thanks

LUDD is stuck in 97.

the last album by the angels of light (michael gira) really blew my mind in its ability to turn blues and folk motifs inside out. good example of someone doing something fresh by referencing the past. its like steve reich doing muddy waters.

Richard D James probably is, but who knows when we'll hear it.

  On 10/19/2009 at 12:57 AM, karmakramer said:

Richard D James probably is, but who knows when we'll hear it.

lol

didn't snares have an unreleased surround version of HCCBU?

EDIT: someone else too released somthing in 5.1 on dvd, amon tobin? richard devine? cant remember.

  On 10/19/2009 at 1:42 AM, Jonas said:

 

 

Amazed that there aren't any 5.1 electronica albums, or are there?

Yeah Orbital kinda did it first with their Altogether DVD then Jarre claimed his comeback comp 'Aero' on Warner was the first conceived 5.1 album when all it was were sanitised versions of his classics that were originally done in stereo anyway??

Pete Namlook had dabbled in 5.1 but at the end of the day DTS is only really any good for tie fighters screaming around as there's no focused stereo image due to the wide speaker positions hence the centre channel so musically it has even more limits than regular stereo imho plus most people listen to music on headphones these days.

As far as ground breaking current electronic goes I think the merging with video editing techniques seems to be the new experience (e.g Hexstatic, Chris Cunningham ect.) Musically I think there has to be a decent technological breakthrough to have any profound focus on 'cutting edge' as everyone is doing everything and nothing these days, what more can be dne with digital editing or old synth sounds on the other hand improvised 'LIVE' electronic music is something that hasn't yet been fully realised.

BT

black dice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa6fdoGCLBY

jamie lidell used to push things. muddlin gear is maybe crazier than anything autechre did. but nobody gave a shit and so he became a soul singer. thats why you feel like no one is pushing things. because people did push things in the beginning of the decade, no one gave a shit, and then ipod commercials. thats the decade.

  On 10/18/2009 at 9:31 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 10/18/2009 at 6:36 PM, k h o v said:

A quote from Jon Wozencroft (Touch) : “I think the idea that you have to do something ‘new’ all the time is one of the great diseases of contemporary culture. Part of doing something new is also to have a sense of time and tradition and what’s gone before; I think it’s boring as hell to think that everything has to reinvent itself in three month cycles.”

 

i think this is different from 'pushing things' as the original poster said. The owner of Touch isn't using the term 'new' to mean pushing new boundries. If he is then its a rather silly quote coming from someone who runs a label that has several artists on it who strive to push the envelope constantly. And even on the quote's face, if he did just mean 'new' i also think it's a little curmudgeonly. People who complain about other people taking the extra leap to be creative are bewildering to me.

I think the key in that quote is "all the time". Obviously the owner of Touch isn't going to knock pushing boundaries. I think what he means (and I agree with this) is that while an artist might push a new idea, he should take his time and develop that idea..if you look at Autechre's progression from Confield to Quaristice I think you can see a pretty good motif being developed....imagine if Autechre jumped ship every album to something new.

i would just say Bernard Parmegiani

  On 10/18/2009 at 5:35 PM, Bewarethefriendlyfoil said:

Dopplereffekt.

This.

  On 10/19/2009 at 5:27 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said:

i think the trick to innovative music is finding the right balance between something listenable and experimental.

  On 10/19/2009 at 2:32 AM, Bubba69 said:

didn't snares have an unreleased surround version of HCCBU?

 

EDIT: someone else too released somthing in 5.1 on dvd, amon tobin? richard devine? cant remember.

Venetian Snares has "Huge Chrome Cylinder Box Unfolding," yeah.

As far as pushing things, I like to think that Venetian Snares and Datach'i are always pushing things. If Richard Devine would release a new album, that'd be cool. As a previous poster put, Soisong is very interesting. Another put Kid Koala, who is very fun to listen to.

I think Decomposure does some really neat stuff with only using field recordings.

  On 10/19/2009 at 2:32 AM, Bubba69 said:

didn't snares have an unreleased surround version of HCCBU?

 

EDIT: someone else too released somthing in 5.1 on dvd, amon tobin? richard devine? cant remember.

Tipper released Surrounded in 5.1 http://www.discogs.com/Tipper-Surrounded/release/144009

Haven't listened to it in 5.1 yet but really enjoyed the original album

As far as 'pushing boundaries' there isn't a lot of places for music to go. Everything has already been done, except to continue various style/genre combinations, new analog and digital synths/instruments, and signal processing. But I doubt there will be anything else that can be considered 'ground-breaking'

The next step for music will probably be the technology to transmit music directly inside your head. We're already halfway there

there has been quite a few experimental and electronic music 5.1 stuff released. I did a review thread of all the DVds i was collecting at the time. probably got lost in the last forum update.

my favorite ones are the morton subotnick reissues

  On 10/19/2009 at 9:25 AM, chax said:

there isn't a lot of places for music to go. Everything has already been done

i do not believe these statements and think they are poisonous thoughts for curious minds working with any medium

  On 10/19/2009 at 10:00 AM, Adjective said:

  On 10/19/2009 at 9:25 AM, chax said:

there isn't a lot of places for music to go. Everything has already been done

i do not believe these statements and think they are poisonous thoughts for curious minds working with any medium

i agree it's a pretty big generalization, but i'm talking about it purely in terms of technology. i haven't seen or heard anything that has blown me away in a very long time. not that i still don't enjoy music, or peoples takes or contributions or experiments with it. i don't know, i just feel like lately i've heard everything, maybe i need a break from music

  On 10/19/2009 at 10:11 AM, chax said:

  On 10/19/2009 at 10:00 AM, Adjective said:

  On 10/19/2009 at 9:25 AM, chax said:

there isn't a lot of places for music to go. Everything has already been done

i do not believe these statements and think they are poisonous thoughts for curious minds working with any medium

 

i agree it's a pretty big generalization, but i'm talking about it purely in terms of technology. i haven't seen or heard anything that has blown me away in a very long time. not that i still don't enjoy music, or peoples takes or contributions or experiments with it. i don't know, i just feel like lately i've heard everything, maybe i need a break from music

i think theres still quite a bit to hear my friend.. do not worry

I don't know about anything groundbreaking, unique unfortunately... but as far as 5.1 goes the Speedy J. - Umfeld dvd was pretty damned sweet sounding, didn't enjoy the visuals too much though.

cat 191

How do you define 'pushing' things?

You mean creating new genres or making music twisted and mixed up to the point of parody? Or music you haven't really heard before?

In my eyes most things have been done, genrewise. Pushing things now basically comes down to mixing two genres together and becoming a subgenre like Dubstep (the most bloated and boring around right now).

If you want "complex" then Richard Devine is pushing complexity in terms of sound design to the point of screaming.

Venetian Snares is pushing how boring and tiresome extremely fast, chopped up music can be. "Look he's reinvented himself by adding gabber/classical/idm/tvsoapthemes/lyrics to his usual bland fare of over-loud randomly stoppy breaks!" Can we have a subforum by the way?

Muslimgauze is a nice place to look for something different, he's released a fucktonne of music in his short life so obviously it varies in quality, but there's a free online release of one of his tapes that's worth checking. Mixes dub, electro, techno, noise elements with middle eastern influence. It's not for everyone, or even most, but I quite like some of it.

http://arabbox.free.fr/muslimtapes.html

Can be really hypnotic. He refused to use digital equipment, or anything western, so there's a nice lo-fi quality which I quite like.

Throbbing Gristle's Part Two - The Endless Not album released a couple years back was "pushing" it I guess. Quite original I suppose, had a nice variety of tracks.

Oh fuck it, who's pushing anything anymore!

everything has already been pushed as far as it will go. pulling is the new pushing. taking retro to it's logical conclusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5J0xVfHNZs