squarepusher Is anyone REALLY pushing things?

  On 10/19/2009 at 11:23 AM, Gocab said:

I don't know about anything groundbreaking, unique unfortunately... but as far as 5.1 goes the Speedy J. - Umfeld dvd was pretty damned sweet sounding, didn't enjoy the visuals too much though.

I forgot to tell you this is Creative Commons licensed so you can download it for free here!

ah ah, i kinda agree with obel, i dont like venetian snares & richard devine (too complicated for my brain).

... but i truly like ryoji ikeda idea to produce hyper complicated music using simple (tones) sounds in his latest cd on raster noton. obviously he's pushing something with this record.

there is contemporary music

they expand the normal harmonics to something new but its hard to listen to it

too much pushing does not mean it gets better

for me the mood and the experience or story of a track is more relevant then pushing things

Note: I love Devine. Live especially.

ryochi ikeda doing a great job

yeah I feel Raster Norton in general tries to be a more pushing label.

i'm currently working on some stuff made made entirely from canned laughter samples from Friends (series 3).

  On 10/19/2009 at 8:01 PM, BCM said:

i'm currently working on some stuff made made entirely from canned laughter samples from Friends (series 3).

I hope this is true.

  On 10/19/2009 at 10:00 AM, Adjective said:

  On 10/19/2009 at 9:25 AM, chax said:

there isn't a lot of places for music to go. Everything has already been done

i do not believe these statements and think they are poisonous thoughts for curious minds working with any medium

yeah most definitely, it seems awfully self defeatist if one is an artist to think such thoughts.

  On 10/19/2009 at 8:01 PM, BCM said:

i'm currently working on some stuff made made entirely from canned laughter samples from Friends (series 3).

genius

Asmus Tietchens

I am very optimistic about these things. I'd like to think that the best years are ahead of us. I am sure I have some good examples for both 2009 and 2008. But it's a matter of how open you are as well, not all people are open for genius strokes when they hear it ;-)

Yep. You're far smarter than any of us.

Tell me something I don't know ;-)

Tom Jenkinson is pushing things.

But so what? It wasn't directed to any particular member of the forum. It's just true, some people aren't listening. And they complain all the time there's no new exciting music.

  On 10/19/2009 at 7:51 PM, Glass Plate said:

yeah I feel Raster Norton in general tries to be a more pushing label.

see i think that they have done a really good of refining over time a specific aesthetic that they helped (not entirely invented) create . I love Raster Norton but what release off of the label besides the ambient ones, doesnt revolve around the clicks & cuts sound design/composing style? Not saying that they aren't a forward thinking label, on the contrary i think they are one of the most interesting but i don't see them pushing any new genres or styles into the forefront in a while, just really damn good at refining the style they do the best.

so you think its the best to keep all that great stuff for yourself? Music needs to be pushed by their listeners too.. a few music critics lost faith in guitar music after they heard the first beatles album, so fuck those ignorants

I am the pusher robot

I shove around the blind people

We are here to protect you

We are here to protect you from the terrible secret of space

  On 10/19/2009 at 8:49 PM, Awepittance said:

  On 10/19/2009 at 10:00 AM, Adjective said:

  On 10/19/2009 at 9:25 AM, chax said:

there isn't a lot of places for music to go. Everything has already been done

i do not believe these statements and think they are poisonous thoughts for curious minds working with any medium

 

yeah most definitely, it seems awfully self defeatist if one is an artist to think such thoughts.

Absolutely, but the current thing is rehashing shit that's already been done, both in mainstream music and in IDM or whatever. So it can be really uninspiring for young artists with new ideas I think.

Problem as well with a semi-successful, truly groundbreaking artist is that as soon as they start getting some attention all the sudden you're wading through their copycats and their bullshit too.

I'd like to know how people define "pushing" though. Anyone?

  On 10/19/2009 at 10:23 PM, plstik said:

so you think its the best to keep all that great stuff for yourself? Music needs to be pushed by their listeners too..

of course not, i just think people have very unique/personal definitions to themselves what it means to be groundbreaking or pushing the envelope.

I argued with an Art professor once online for several days, it was an epic discussion about his idea of pushing the envelope, which was refining/perfecting an already exsisting aesthetic vs my belief, which is that an artist that strives to do something that hasn't been done before to his knowledge. Even if it's something that appeals to no one, i still feel by definition the 2nd school of thought is more applicable.

And then there are people like Stockhausen, in the historically hilarious interview where he was played an Aphex Twin Cd and found it very 'derivative of african rhythms' . stockhausen was only looking at the purely compositional aspect and not thinking of the timber or sound bed of a song as being equally important.

There is an article in the newest issue of Musicworks (kind of an artsy fartsy american version of the wire) examining what this Stockhausen interview meant, and basically they come to the conclusion that aphex twin's didgeridoo has been listened to by thousands more people than anything Stockhausen has composed. So in turn people who get too wrapped up into the technical or mathematical side of 'breaking new ground' as opposed to trying to reach someone on a human emotional level at the end of the day will impact very little people compared to the latter.

  On 10/19/2009 at 10:35 PM, Obel said:

 

I'd like to know how people define "pushing" though. Anyone?

Autechre?

  On 10/19/2009 at 10:41 PM, soundwave said:

  On 10/19/2009 at 10:35 PM, Obel said:

 

I'd like to know how people define "pushing" though. Anyone?

 

Autechre?

I don't mean examples so much as a well thought out explanation. (as much as I agree on AE)

Pushing to me is artists who work within their own "frame" and with their own "rules". Autechre (again), Can, Magma, Scorn. The list goes on.