the revolution in egypt: mubarak resigns

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:03 PM, EDGEY said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/world/middleeast/03hackers.html?_r=1&hp

 

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the most funny part this is how the page looked when it was still up:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080524202513/http://www.presidency.gov.eg/

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:11 PM, Squee said:

Does it make me a bad person for not giving a rat's ass anymore?

no. maybe you liked it since it was all peace and love and shit, but not feeling involved anymore due to lack of further ties other than your global values?

it's really tiresome. that's right

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:12 PM, o00o said:

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:03 PM, EDGEY said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/03/world/middleeast/03hackers.html?_r=1&hp

 

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the most funny part this is how the page looked when it was still up:

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20080524202513/http://www.presidency.gov.eg/

 

lol

thanks for posting those shoots

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:11 PM, Squee said:

Does it make me a bad person for not giving a rat's ass anymore?

I mean, I'm pretty sure that as far back as anyone can remember there have been problems in the middle east, and each and every day we hear about someone who blew up a bunch of people and then there are some other people who are crying, screaming, and so on over this and that and now we've got Egypt where people are screaming and crying and killing each other - and seriously, in the end it is quite tiresome.

Tiresome? A democratic revolution is tiresome to you?

Fuck off.

did not change much over the years this is how it looked like when it was created in 1997:

http://web.archive.org/web/19971007171750/http://www.presidency.gov.eg/

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:11 PM, Squee said:

Does it make me a bad person for not giving a rat's ass anymore?

I mean, I'm pretty sure that as far back as anyone can remember there have been problems in the middle east, and each and every day we hear about someone who blew up a bunch of people and then there are some other people who are crying, screaming, and so on over this and that and now we've got Egypt where people are screaming and crying and killing each other - and seriously, in the end it is quite tiresome.

lol

i mean staying with the face on the screen all the time, all this fake adrenalin with no where to yell out. i don't have a girlfriend either.

losing sleep, being nervous, wanting to be there. mentally tiresome that is.

amazed or desperate? im lucky i can't choose.

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:28 PM, mohamed said:

i don't have a girlfriend either.

No shit?!

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:37 PM, baph said:

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:28 PM, mohamed said:

i don't have a girlfriend either.

 

No shit?!

true

i am working that out though, i didn't know i was so hot. thanks the revolution for that

there's something going on, shit really lies in itself for me

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:20 PM, Hoodie said:

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:11 PM, Squee said:

Does it make me a bad person for not giving a rat's ass anymore?

I mean, I'm pretty sure that as far back as anyone can remember there have been problems in the middle east, and each and every day we hear about someone who blew up a bunch of people and then there are some other people who are crying, screaming, and so on over this and that and now we've got Egypt where people are screaming and crying and killing each other - and seriously, in the end it is quite tiresome.

 

Tiresome? A democratic revolution is tiresome to you?

 

Fuck off.

For reals

  On 2/3/2011 at 7:05 PM, karmakramer said:

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:20 PM, Hoodie said:

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:11 PM, Squee said:

Does it make me a bad person for not giving a rat's ass anymore?

I mean, I'm pretty sure that as far back as anyone can remember there have been problems in the middle east, and each and every day we hear about someone who blew up a bunch of people and then there are some other people who are crying, screaming, and so on over this and that and now we've got Egypt where people are screaming and crying and killing each other - and seriously, in the end it is quite tiresome.

 

Tiresome? A democratic revolution is tiresome to you?

 

Fuck off.

 

For reals

also, can some one get sup in here and have him handle mohamed ffs?

hey mohamed, what u talkin about? u crazy?

Their internet is back online

mubarak says he's fed up to be president, lol

i could actually be the egyptian fela if i want

  On 2/3/2011 at 6:11 PM, Squee said:

Does it make me a bad person for not giving a rat's ass anymore?

I mean, I'm pretty sure that as far back as anyone can remember there have been problems in the middle east, and each and every day we hear about someone who blew up a bunch of people and then there are some other people who are crying, screaming, and so on over this and that and now we've got Egypt where people are screaming and crying and killing each other - and seriously, in the end it is quite tiresome.

not giving a rat's ass is fine but it seems like an extremely odd conflation, to say suicide terrorism is in any way comparable or related to an uprising against a corrupt regime. i dont get it, i mean the only thing similar about is that it sometimes happens in the middle east? even though most terrorism does not happen in the middle east statistically, and the last 5 or so successful uprisings were not just in the middle east

one dude sign sums it up well

'live for anything, die for something'

the two statements were actually inverted

Chomsky on the current uprising in Egypt

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AMY GOODMAN: For analysis of the Egyptian uprising and its implications for the Middle East and beyond, we’re joined now by the world-renowned political dissident and linguist Noam Chomsky, Professor Emeritus at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, author of over a hundred books, including his latest, Hopes and Prospects.

 

Noam, welcome to Democracy Now! Your analysis of what’s happening now in Egypt and what it means for the Middle East?

 

NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, first of all, what’s happening is absolutely spectacular. The courage and determination and commitment of the demonstrators is remarkable. And whatever happens, these are moments that won’t be forgotten and are sure to have long-term consequences, as the fact that they overwhelmed the police, took Tahrir Square, are staying there in the face of organized pro-Mubarak mobs, organized by the government to try to either drive them out or to set up a situation in which the army will claim to have to move in to restore order and then to maybe install some kind of military rule, whatever. It’s very hard to predict what’s going to happen. But the events have been truly spectacular. And, of course, it’s all over the Middle East. In Yemen, in Jordan, just about everywhere, there are the major consequences.

 

The United States, so far, is essentially following the usual playbook. I mean, there have been many times when some favored dictator has lost control or is in danger of losing control. There’s a kind of a standard routine—Marcos, Duvalier, Ceausescu, strongly supported by the United States and Britain, Suharto: keep supporting them as long as possible; then, when it becomes unsustainable—typically, say, if the army shifts sides—switch 180 degrees, claim to have been on the side of the people all along, erase the past, and then make whatever moves are possible to restore the old system under new names. That succeeds or fails depending on the circumstances.

 

And I presume that’s what’s happening now. They’re waiting to see whether Mubarak can hang on, as it appears he’s intending to do, and as long as he can, say, "Well, we have to support law and order, regular constitutional change," and so on. If he cannot hang on, if the army, say, turns against him, then we’ll see the usual routine played out. Actually, the only leader who has been really forthright and is becoming the most—maybe already is—the most popular figure in the region is the Turkey’s Prime Minister Erdogan, who’s been very straight and outspoken.

 

AMY GOODMAN: Noam, I wanted to play for you what President Obama had to say yesterday.

 

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: We have spoken out on behalf of the need for change. After his speech tonight, I spoke directly to President Mubarak. He recognizes that the status quo is not sustainable and that a change must take place. Indeed, all of us who are privileged to serve in positions of political power do so at the will of our people. Through thousands of years, Egypt has known many moments of transformation. The voices of the Egyptian people tell us that this is one of those moments, this is one of those times. Now, it is not the role of any other country to determine Egypt’s leaders. Only the Egyptian people can do that. What is clear, and what I indicated tonight to President Mubarak, is my belief that an orderly transition must be meaningful, it must be peaceful, and it must begin now.

 

AMY GOODMAN: That was President Obama speaking yesterday in the White House. Noam Chomsky, your response to what President Obama said, the disappointment of many that he didn’t demand that Mubarak leave immediately? More importantly, the role of the United States, why the U.S. would have any say here, when it comes to how much it has supported the regime?

 

NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, Obama very carefully didn’t say anything. Mubarak would agree that there should be an orderly transition, but to what? A new cabinet, some minor rearrangement of the constitutional order—it’s empty. So he’s doing what U.S. leaders regularly do. As I said, there is a playbook: whenever a favored dictator is in trouble, try to sustain him, hold on; if at some point it becomes impossible, switch sides.

 

The U.S. has an overwhelmingly powerful role there. Egypt is the second-largest recipient over a long period of U.S. military and economic aid. Israel is first. Obama himself has been highly supportive of Mubarak. It’s worth remembering that on his way to that famous speech in Cairo, which was supposed to be a conciliatory speech towards the Arab world, he was asked by the press—I think it was the BBC—whether he was going to say anything about what they called Mubarak’s authoritarian government. And Obama said, no, he wouldn’t. He said, "I don’t like to use labels for folks. Mubarak is a good man. He has done good things. He has maintained stability. We will continue to support him. He is a friend." And so on. This is one of the most brutal dictators of the region, and how anyone could have taken Obama’s comments about human rights seriously after that is a bit of a mystery. But the support has been very powerful in diplomatic dimensions. Military—the planes flying over Tahrir Square are, of course, U.S. planes. The U.S. is the—has been the strongest, most solid, most important supporter of the regime. It’s not like Tunisia, where the main supporter was France. They’re the primary guilty party there. But in Egypt, it’s clearly the United States, and of course Israel. Israel is—of all the countries in the region, Israel, and I suppose Saudi Arabia, have been the most outspoken and supportive of the Mubarak regime. In fact, Israeli leaders were angry, at least expressed anger, that Obama hadn’t taken a stronger stand in support of their friend Mubarak.

 

AMY GOODMAN: Talk about what this means for the Middle East, Noam Chomsky. I mean, we’re talking about the massive protests that have taken place in Jordan, to the point where King Abdullah has now dismissed his cabinet, appointed a new prime minister. In Yemen there are major protests. There is a major protest called for Syria. What are the implications of this, the uprising from Tunisia to Egypt now?

 

NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, this is the most remarkable regional uprising that I can remember. I mean, it’s sometimes compared with Eastern Europe, but that’s not much of a comparison. For one thing, in this case, there’s no counterpart to Gorbachev among the—in the United States or other great powers supporting the dictatorships. That’s a huge difference. Another is that in the case of Eastern Europe, the United States and its allies followed the timeworn principle that democracy is fine, at least up to a point, if it accords with strategic and economic objectives, so therefore acceptable in enemy domains, but not in our own. That’s a well-established principle, and of course that sharply differentiates these two cases. In fact, about the only moderately reasonable comparison would be to Romania, where Ceausescu, the most vicious of the dictators of the region, was very strongly supported by the United States right up ’til the end. And then, when he—the last days, when he was overthrown and killed, the first Bush administration followed the usual rules: postured about being on the side of the people, opposed to dictatorship, tried to arrange for a continuation of close relations.

 

continues

http://www.alternet.org/story/149786/chomsky%3A_why_the_mideast_turmoil_is_a_direct_threat_to_the_american_empire/?page=2

Check this. I really, really hope this survey isn't accurate...

general Egypt population:

82%: Believe adulterers should be stoned

84%: Believe apostates from Islam should face the death penalty

are they really all that backwards?! maybe they need someone like Mubarak to tell them to STFU

also hello! not been here for a while innit

this is my only link when you take those stats out of your pockets

the US establishment definitely hasn't agreed to be on the side of the people in the uprising yet, i'm still seeing a lot of propagandistic american/western news stories designed to generate dislike for the population of people in the uprising. It's hard to say if that poll is designed to generated some of that resentment, but Polls can have very leading questions and i wouldn't really put too much faith in one.

To me the 'protestors are ruining the mummies' is a good way to get 'civilized' people to hate the egyptian protestors. because frankly all we give a shit about as americans is being able to go there one day on vacation and see all the egyptian artifacts

ABC news especially has a bunch of misleading headlines. One of them says 'ABC news reporters stopped by angry protestors threatened with beheading' then you find out that the 'protestors' were pro Murbarak supporters, but only if you read about 50% into the article.

  On 2/3/2011 at 9:28 PM, Awepittance said:

the US establishment definitely hasn't agreed to be on the side of the people in the uprising yet, i'm still seeing a lot of propagandistic american/western news stories designed to generate dislike for the population of people in the uprising. It's hard to say if that poll is designed to generated some of that resentment, but Polls can have very leading questions and i wouldn't really put too much faith in one.

To me the 'protestors are ruining the mummies' is a good way to get 'civilized' people to hate the egyptian protestors. because frankly all we give a shit about as americans is being able to go there one day on vacation and see all the egyptian artifacts

 

ABC news especially has a bunch of misleading headlines. One of them says 'ABC news reporters stopped by angry protestors threatened with beheading' then you find out that the 'protestors' were pro Murbarak supporters, but only if you read about 50% into the article.

look, this is where things become tiresome. for egyptians especially

  On 2/3/2011 at 9:28 PM, Awepittance said:

the US establishment definitely hasn't agreed to be on the side of the people in the uprising yet, i'm still seeing a lot of propagandistic american/western news stories designed to generate dislike for the population of people in the uprising. It's hard to say if that poll is designed to generated some of that resentment, but Polls can have very leading questions and i wouldn't really put too much faith in one.

To me the 'protestors are ruining the mummies' is a good way to get 'civilized' people to hate the egyptian protestors. because frankly all we give a shit about as americans is being able to go there one day on vacation and see all the egyptian artifacts

 

ABC news especially has a bunch of misleading headlines. One of them says 'ABC news reporters stopped by angry protestors threatened with beheading' then you find out that the 'protestors' were pro Murbarak supporters, but only if you read about 50% into the article.

I reckon those people smashing up mummies were agents provocateurs...

of course on the secular side you have ultra-nationalist pro-Mubarak people who probably see hardcore Islam as Saudi imperialism or something. No doubt they're pretty unpleasant too and will bash your head in. I'm fucking praying* that survey isn't accurate. The comments on the end of that article might be right - you assume there's a silent, sensible majority, but those results, if accurate, prove that there isn't.

*not literally lol

im exhausted

'iraquis leaving egypt for the safety of baghdad'

i just think the shit has really hit the fan here

'egypt must proceed with concrete solutions' HillariCalintn

that's when the thugs went throwing down stones from the top of the building

holy shh..

a police car goes full force into a crowd of people

warning: very disturbing nsfw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsPBA-bEuEQ