Say your goodbyes to McGriff in here

That's like dying of starvation inside a supermarket.

Maybe Fred didn't give him enough root beer :(

lolol

so idm has obviously been dead since, like, 2004, but now i'm really feeling like watmm in the form i once knew it as is dead too. a real shame.

  On 4/9/2012 at 4:35 PM, KY said:

so idm has obviously been dead since, like, 2004, but now i'm really feeling like watmm in the form i once knew it as is dead too. a real shame.

[youtubehd]vCWdCKPtnYE[/youtubehd]

Wait a minute... I made a message board about an extremely unpopular form of dated music and people are still enjoying themselves despite this?

This needs to be... corrected.

  On 4/7/2012 at 2:42 PM, messiaen said:

i know i sound like a broken record but i just literally cannot understand why joyrex has decided to destroy what was a truely fantastic forum with this kiddie rules bullshit.

 

i still come because i have no idea where else to go, but seriously, it kinda hurts inside.

 

you cultivated a truely awesome forum joyrex, and now youve decided to just destroy it. it makes no sens eot me

I just have to shake my head and laugh every time someone accuses me of making this site 'family friendly' or that I have some religious slant, or I'm "out to destroy the forum" bullshit - all I did was change the rules so NSFW/adult material and overtly sexual conversations were no longer part of WATMM, like they were long ago, before I lost focus on what the whole point of this site was about - electronic music, and sharing our thoughts and passions about said electronic music. Some of you may recall there never was a "General Banter" forum to begin with, and the only reason it was created (along with the forum technology had finally allowed for more than one forum and sub-forums) was to keep the non-music discussion sequestered away, as not to interfere with the majority of discussions, which centered around music. Had I not decided to put each Featured Artist in a subforum of their own (again, due to people complaining about when a major artist had a new release we'd have the music discussion swamped with gobs of "New Squarepusher Album!!1!" posts and topics and the less-frequented topics would fall off the main page and get lost to obscurity), General Banter would be a minority subforum, probably less than the Football Discussion forum.

  On 4/7/2012 at 2:45 PM, azatoth said:

JR has a middle age crisis along with pubescent kids. Only explanation to this wave of lame.

I'm 38 - hardly middle age (I hope), and my kids have nothing to do with this site, and they are only vaguely aware of it's existence since I keep running this site and my family as two separate things, as if that was any of your business to begin with.

  On 4/7/2012 at 3:00 PM, Adam Beker said:

Joyrex thinks his decissions are making this forum better, at least he says so. I don't know if it's possible to convince him somehow that he's wrong. Even if it happens he always has the argument "this is my forum, I do what I want" to justify everything.

 

 

  On 4/7/2012 at 2:36 PM, gmanyo said:

Everyone keeps talking about the golden age of WATMM, but was it really as good as everyone says? I feel like y'all are just a bunch of old geezers talking about the non-existent "good ol' days" and telling new guys (and, more frequently, Joyrex) to get off of your lawn. I mean, Fred leaving sucks*, but was it really that great back then?

*Not that I knew him much, but he still sounds cool. Anyone care to post his avatar? I don't pay attention to names.

For me the golden days were about a year or so ago, when hathathat, sup and maximus weren't banned and you could post tits without fear and luke via was still posting and top posters were not gmanyo or stepheng. But I can imagine it was even better erlier with other people that got banned.

I've got Google Analytics and VigLink Affiliate Revenues that prove since the changes, things have gotten better - in terms of visitors and memberships, and in terms of ad revenue that helps pay the hosting costs.

All this "golden age" stuff is subjective, and probably has more to do with whatever new and exciting electronic music was being released, rather than any subset of forum members here than to some made this place 'cool'.

  On 4/7/2012 at 3:13 PM, modey said:

sup wasn't nearly as bad as maximus mischief, but still pretty fucking annoying.

 

imo watmm died when the nice tits thread got deleted (not just because of that, but that seemed to be the time when joyrex 'turned'). dunno why i'm still here. procrastination i guess!

I didn't 'turn' - I decided that I wanted my site to shift back to what it's original focus was, stop being banned by worksafe filters because of 'adult content' and becoming known for things other than electronic music (especially on Google searches).

  On 4/7/2012 at 4:20 PM, volg4 said:

i remember i once posted a joke in a joke thread and fred quoted me and posted a 'lol'

for the briefest moment i felt like i was a somebody... i think he also posted a when i made pun about beak

 

those were the days, when all this was fields, now its just carparks and wifi hotspots

 

fuckin filthy hippy hipsters

 

at work, we have an enterprise firewall/filter solution thats used by many universities and colleges and businesses across the country, maybe worldwide... the filters are updated using the settings from all of these different places and WATMM has went from being unblocked to blocked; reason: adult content

this is primarily a moosics site about a couple of guys called aphex, perhaps JR doesnt want the place seen as just another porn hole? jus sayin... /end advocate

Finally, someone who understands a bit better than most.

  On 4/7/2012 at 4:52 PM, eugene said:

there was never any significant amount porn on watmm, well maybe when yegg was around, but her stuff was mostly otherworldly and hilarious. the tits thread was exquisite and tasteful, basically imagine the recent ginger thread with tits, that's more or less what it was. oh and there was also a nice penises thread too to counter the tits, so it was cool in watmm gender equality wise.

 

joyrex's mistake, imo, is that he never really understands the power of watmm community, he believes that if let under-moderated it'll turn into some 4chan/pornshack, but almost no one actually wants this here and people can take care of annoying trolls and keep watmm interesting without joyrex's war on fun.

You're quite wrong - I do understand the power of communities, and how even a minor member of a community can 'poison' the rest and become cancer-like and destroy, sometimes irreparably, an online community. I've seen it happen plenty of places elsewhere online. Look at some of the longest running and 'healthiest' online communities - you'll find in place a reasonable set of rules, consistent and fair (as possible) moderation, and a focus on keeping the community on-track.

  On 4/7/2012 at 5:30 PM, The Overlook said:

The purpose of "General Banter" is becoming a bit difficult to discern. Nonetheless, even as an avid reader/viewer, I had no problem with the removal of the Nice Tits thread and Joyrex's reasoning there wasn't ridiculous so do yourselves a favor and let that ship sail.

 

All the heavier handed moderation has definitely made this place a bit antiseptic though and that's not a good thing. It might be good for Joyrex's hardcore newborn christian life, but it's damned boring for content, lols, etc.

I wish people would stop with this whole religious garbage - I'm Catholic if you want to label me as such, and I'm not going to go into my views on religion, but rest assured they are certainly NOT in line with any 'hardcore Christian' beliefs, nor did anything of that nature have anything to do with the changes made here last year (yes, it's been a year now).

  On 4/7/2012 at 10:17 PM, Candiru said:

Tits are everywhere, that's cool. But this website can never be just about the music and still be a functioning board.

 

This is like saying "Unless you're drinking coffee right now, GTFO of the coffee shop." People will be in the coffee shop eating scones and perusing WATMM on their laptops, man. It's the atmosphere that's most of the appeal.

  On 4/8/2012 at 1:55 AM, Hoodie said:

  On 4/8/2012 at 12:57 AM, lumpenprol said:

  On 4/7/2012 at 11:30 PM, Murveman said:

With that said. It alienated the womens in this forum, and that's not very cool.

 

like whom? If anything, it was the opposite. I think yegg left pretty soon after the tits and cocks threads were deleted. And to be honest, if any girl left because she was offended by a funny, playful tits thread then she wasn't the sort of woman I'd like to have around here anyway (*cough* thanksomuch *cough*...heh, kidding...well, halfway...)

 

yeah, i don't recall any ladies saying they felt alienated prior to the annihilation of the nice tits/nice booty threads. i think it was solely joyrex's decision, right?

 

it really boggles my mind how smutty content was ok on this website for years and suddenly it's immature and childish. wasn't it joyrex that used to have a signature from this music video? (if not, i swear some mod had a gif of shaking asses as a signature at some point...) i just don't understand the shift in mindset. if joyrex was trying to monetize the site/sell it off, it'd make sense, but i don't see any advertisements on here. if it's solely because of his moral qualms with explicit content... well, that's silly.

 

not that any of this bitching matters. joyrex is going to do whatever he wants with this site. he owns it. it'd be nice if he listened to input from the community more often (especially about chatmm, what a shame), but it can't be forced.

I do listen to input - I sometimes wonder if I need a 'suggestion box' thread (I've actually solicited input many times now that I think about it). Wasn't me who had any shaking asses as a signature, and I've already gone over why the rules changed here - to add to it as to address your statements, I felt that things were getting out of hand here (or more in-hand, if you'll excuse the cheap attempt at a joke), and needed to be refocused. The internet has changed a lot since I launched this site, and legal reasons too played a part in my decision to get the adult content off this site, especially since so many of you are technically 'under age', and while I have disclaimers when you sign up, I really don't need a lawsuit because someone's precious snowflake was discovered wanking to a thread on my forum. I think sometimes many of you forget the buck literally and figuratively, stops with me.

  On 4/8/2012 at 1:01 PM, azatoth said:

JR should close the forums and only let in people he deems worthy after a thorough vetting process, then he can have his WATMM utopia he so desires.

A WATMM utopia in my mind would be a forum where there wasn't a 17 page thread about a guy who decided to take his toys home and leave in a huff (more on that in a moment)

  On 4/8/2012 at 9:36 PM, Hoodie said:

that reminds me. if the problem is watmm being a "boys club," then why the hell do we still have a ginger appreciation thread and short-haired girls appreciation thread?

 

it's basically the same thing as the tits and ass threads--you know, objectification of women. makes me think that the reason for closing the aforementioned threads (being disrespectful to female forum members, right?) is actually quite a load of bullshit.

The threads were removed due to pornographic content, not the objectification of women (although there were some complaints). If the recent threads (which personally I find a bit pointless and creepy) get out of hand, they too will be removed. I really do try and not censor things as much as possible, but unfortunately some here feel that pushing the envelope constantly is the only way they can get a laugh.

As for Fred McGriff: He left voluntarily (he had to ask several times for me to deactivate his account, in fact) - I never asked him to leave, and the whole ruckus was over his disagreeing with my moderation and censorship of topics and threads that I felt were contrary to the new rules on the forum, as well for the comment I made towards him about what his wife must think of his threads concerning his lusting over the wine store girl (and FYI - the first thread was closed because again, some of you took things too far and decided to take Fred's basis for what he considered a good subject for discussion and went into NSFW territory which violated the rules) in response to a swipe he took at me in the Funny Pictures thread implying that the GIF I posted of a guy getting a bulldozer's worth of water dumped on him as something I culled off "America's Funniest Home Videos" and how family-friendly it was. I never mentioned his family, and my own personal feeling (especially in retrospect) was that I gave him food for though, despite his claims his wife is alright with him (disrespecting her, as I see it, and I wonder if she is/was aware of what he's posted on WATMM) making threads about how he sees other women. I'm not going to go into it more or voice any more opinions on the matter since it's not fair due to Fred not being able to respond in kind. Despite our differences on that matter, I always found Fred to be a funny, engaging member of the forums, and while right now honestly I'm not sorry to see him go, perhaps in time him and I can come to terms over things and he can go back to the McGriff most here have praised.

For what its worth joyrex, i enjoy this site and i found some great music also wich was the reason i joined

keep up the good work! Bitches leave!

Beak wails

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:05 PM, Joyrex said:

As for Fred McGriff: He left voluntarily (he had to ask several times for me to deactivate his account, in fact) - I never asked him to leave, and the whole ruckus was over his disagreeing with my moderation and censorship of topics and threads that I felt were contrary to the new rules on the forum, as well for the comment I made towards him about what his wife must think of his threads concerning his lusting over the wine store girl (and FYI - the first thread was closed because again, some of you took things too far and decided to take Fred's basis for what he considered a good subject for discussion and went into NSFW territory which violated the rules) in response to a swipe he took at me in the Funny Pictures thread implying that the GIF I posted of a guy getting a bulldozer's worth of water dumped on him as something I culled off "America's Funniest Home Videos" and how family-friendly it was. I never mentioned his family, and my own personal feeling (especially in retrospect) was that I gave him food for though, despite his claims his wife is alright with him (disrespecting her, as I see it, and I wonder if she is/was aware of what he's posted on WATMM) making threads about how he sees other women. I'm not going to go into it more or voice any more opinions on the matter since it's not fair due to Fred not being able to respond in kind. Despite our differences on that matter, I always found Fred to be a funny, engaging member of the forums, and while right now honestly I'm not sorry to see him go, perhaps in time him and I can come to terms over things and he can go back to the McGriff most here have praised.

I hope that I do not get banned for saying this. It is your forum (a great forum that I enjoy very much), and you certainly can make whatever rules you want. I can understand arguments for removing the porn. I can also somewhat understand the arguments for removing discussion of sex.

But I don't see the point of tut tutting over the way Fred lusted after a woman who was not his wife. Lots of people are cool with their partner sleeping with other people, let alone lusting after them. You cannot take it for granted that his posts were disrespectful to his wife at all. If you think the discussion was ill-suited for watmm, given the focus you want watmm to have, then that's one thing, but it seems a bit unnecessary that you were morally criticizing a member for expressing feelings of lust for someone other than his wife.

who?

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:05 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/7/2012 at 2:42 PM, messiaen said:

i know i sound like a broken record but i just literally cannot understand why joyrex has decided to destroy what was a truely fantastic forum with this kiddie rules bullshit.

 

i still come because i have no idea where else to go, but seriously, it kinda hurts inside.

 

you cultivated a truely awesome forum joyrex, and now youve decided to just destroy it. it makes no sens eot me

 

I just have to shake my head and laugh every time someone accuses me of making this site 'family friendly' or that I have some religious slant, or I'm "out to destroy the forum" bullshit - all I did was change the rules so NSFW/adult material and overtly sexual conversations were no longer part of WATMM, like they were long ago, before I lost focus on what the whole point of this site was about - electronic music, and sharing our thoughts and passions about said electronic music.

 

When 9 people out of 10 say that you're destroying the community, maybe you should not laugh but think about it?

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:05 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/7/2012 at 3:00 PM, Adam Beker said:

Joyrex thinks his decissions are making this forum better, at least he says so. I don't know if it's possible to convince him somehow that he's wrong. Even if it happens he always has the argument "this is my forum, I do what I want" to justify everything.

 

 

  On 4/7/2012 at 2:36 PM, gmanyo said:

Everyone keeps talking about the golden age of WATMM, but was it really as good as everyone says? I feel like y'all are just a bunch of old geezers talking about the non-existent "good ol' days" and telling new guys (and, more frequently, Joyrex) to get off of your lawn. I mean, Fred leaving sucks*, but was it really that great back then?

*Not that I knew him much, but he still sounds cool. Anyone care to post his avatar? I don't pay attention to names.

For me the golden days were about a year or so ago, when hathathat, sup and maximus weren't banned and you could post tits without fear and luke via was still posting and top posters were not gmanyo or stepheng. But I can imagine it was even better erlier with other people that got banned.

 

I've got Google Analytics and VigLink Affiliate Revenues that prove since the changes, things have gotten better - in terms of visitors and memberships, and in terms of ad revenue that helps pay the hosting costs.

 

You should make a skrillex subforum, I'm sure things will be even "better".

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:51 PM, Root5 said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:05 PM, Joyrex said:

As for Fred McGriff: He left voluntarily (he had to ask several times for me to deactivate his account, in fact) - I never asked him to leave, and the whole ruckus was over his disagreeing with my moderation and censorship of topics and threads that I felt were contrary to the new rules on the forum, as well for the comment I made towards him about what his wife must think of his threads concerning his lusting over the wine store girl (and FYI - the first thread was closed because again, some of you took things too far and decided to take Fred's basis for what he considered a good subject for discussion and went into NSFW territory which violated the rules) in response to a swipe he took at me in the Funny Pictures thread implying that the GIF I posted of a guy getting a bulldozer's worth of water dumped on him as something I culled off "America's Funniest Home Videos" and how family-friendly it was. I never mentioned his family, and my own personal feeling (especially in retrospect) was that I gave him food for though, despite his claims his wife is alright with him (disrespecting her, as I see it, and I wonder if she is/was aware of what he's posted on WATMM) making threads about how he sees other women. I'm not going to go into it more or voice any more opinions on the matter since it's not fair due to Fred not being able to respond in kind. Despite our differences on that matter, I always found Fred to be a funny, engaging member of the forums, and while right now honestly I'm not sorry to see him go, perhaps in time him and I can come to terms over things and he can go back to the McGriff most here have praised.

 

I hope that I do not get banned for saying this. It is your forum (a great forum that I enjoy very much), and you certainly can make whatever rules you want. I can understand arguments for removing the porn. I can also somewhat understand the arguments for removing discussion of sex.

 

But I don't see the point of tut tutting over the way Fred lusted after a woman who was not his wife. Lots of people are cool with their partner sleeping with other people, let alone lusting after them. You cannot take it for granted that his posts were disrespectful to his wife at all. If you think the discussion was ill-suited for watmm, given the focus you want watmm to have, then that's one thing, but it seems a bit unnecessary that you were morally criticizing a member for expressing feelings of lust for someone other than his wife.

I wouldn't ban anyone over reasonably voicing their opinion - however, I hardly think it's the norm for any committed, married couple to be "cool" over their partner sleeping with someone else - I'm not sure where you are getting your examples from. And I would offer that since we are not aware if Fred's wife is/is not aware of what he posts online, it's an equally wrong assumption to assume she's aware, let alone OK with it. I think it would be safe to assume the vast majority of people here are not married or in any long-term relationships (there's a joke about WATMM in there somewhere, I know), so perhaps my reasoning is being lost in the process.

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:25 PM, Adam Beker said:

When 9 people out of 10 say that you're destroying the community

lol

Oh silly me everyone has just been getting pissed off for nothing. Thanks for the reassurance, JR.

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:29 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:51 PM, Root5 said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:05 PM, Joyrex said:

As for Fred McGriff: He left voluntarily (he had to ask several times for me to deactivate his account, in fact) - I never asked him to leave, and the whole ruckus was over his disagreeing with my moderation and censorship of topics and threads that I felt were contrary to the new rules on the forum, as well for the comment I made towards him about what his wife must think of his threads concerning his lusting over the wine store girl (and FYI - the first thread was closed because again, some of you took things too far and decided to take Fred's basis for what he considered a good subject for discussion and went into NSFW territory which violated the rules) in response to a swipe he took at me in the Funny Pictures thread implying that the GIF I posted of a guy getting a bulldozer's worth of water dumped on him as something I culled off "America's Funniest Home Videos" and how family-friendly it was. I never mentioned his family, and my own personal feeling (especially in retrospect) was that I gave him food for though, despite his claims his wife is alright with him (disrespecting her, as I see it, and I wonder if she is/was aware of what he's posted on WATMM) making threads about how he sees other women. I'm not going to go into it more or voice any more opinions on the matter since it's not fair due to Fred not being able to respond in kind. Despite our differences on that matter, I always found Fred to be a funny, engaging member of the forums, and while right now honestly I'm not sorry to see him go, perhaps in time him and I can come to terms over things and he can go back to the McGriff most here have praised.

 

I hope that I do not get banned for saying this. It is your forum (a great forum that I enjoy very much), and you certainly can make whatever rules you want. I can understand arguments for removing the porn. I can also somewhat understand the arguments for removing discussion of sex.

 

But I don't see the point of tut tutting over the way Fred lusted after a woman who was not his wife. Lots of people are cool with their partner sleeping with other people, let alone lusting after them. You cannot take it for granted that his posts were disrespectful to his wife at all. If you think the discussion was ill-suited for watmm, given the focus you want watmm to have, then that's one thing, but it seems a bit unnecessary that you were morally criticizing a member for expressing feelings of lust for someone other than his wife.

 

I wouldn't ban anyone over reasonably voicing their opinion - however, I hardly think it's the norm for any committed, married couple to be "cool" over their partner sleeping with someone else - I'm not sure where you are getting your examples from. And I would offer that since we are not aware if Fred's wife is/is not aware of what he posts online, it's an equally wrong assumption to assume she's aware, let alone OK with it. I think it would be safe to assume the vast majority of people here are not married or in any long-term relationships (there's a joke about WATMM in there somewhere, I know), so perhaps my reasoning is being lost in the process.

Well, sorry to intervene, but this one I can comment on, why is it your business if he wants to bang someone other than his wife? I think that subject should stay in the context of the thread he created.

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:25 PM, Adam Beker said:

 

You should make a skrillex subforum, I'm sure things will be even "better".

Lol my thoughts exactly after I read that

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:29 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:51 PM, Root5 said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:05 PM, Joyrex said:

As for Fred McGriff: He left voluntarily (he had to ask several times for me to deactivate his account, in fact) - I never asked him to leave, and the whole ruckus was over his disagreeing with my moderation and censorship of topics and threads that I felt were contrary to the new rules on the forum, as well for the comment I made towards him about what his wife must think of his threads concerning his lusting over the wine store girl (and FYI - the first thread was closed because again, some of you took things too far and decided to take Fred's basis for what he considered a good subject for discussion and went into NSFW territory which violated the rules) in response to a swipe he took at me in the Funny Pictures thread implying that the GIF I posted of a guy getting a bulldozer's worth of water dumped on him as something I culled off "America's Funniest Home Videos" and how family-friendly it was. I never mentioned his family, and my own personal feeling (especially in retrospect) was that I gave him food for though, despite his claims his wife is alright with him (disrespecting her, as I see it, and I wonder if she is/was aware of what he's posted on WATMM) making threads about how he sees other women. I'm not going to go into it more or voice any more opinions on the matter since it's not fair due to Fred not being able to respond in kind. Despite our differences on that matter, I always found Fred to be a funny, engaging member of the forums, and while right now honestly I'm not sorry to see him go, perhaps in time him and I can come to terms over things and he can go back to the McGriff most here have praised.

 

I hope that I do not get banned for saying this. It is your forum (a great forum that I enjoy very much), and you certainly can make whatever rules you want. I can understand arguments for removing the porn. I can also somewhat understand the arguments for removing discussion of sex.

 

But I don't see the point of tut tutting over the way Fred lusted after a woman who was not his wife. Lots of people are cool with their partner sleeping with other people, let alone lusting after them. You cannot take it for granted that his posts were disrespectful to his wife at all. If you think the discussion was ill-suited for watmm, given the focus you want watmm to have, then that's one thing, but it seems a bit unnecessary that you were morally criticizing a member for expressing feelings of lust for someone other than his wife.

 

I wouldn't ban anyone over reasonably voicing their opinion - however, I hardly think it's the norm for any committed, married couple to be "cool" over their partner sleeping with someone else - I'm not sure where you are getting your examples from. And I would offer that since we are not aware if Fred's wife is/is not aware of what he posts online, it's an equally wrong assumption to assume she's aware, let alone OK with it. I think it would be safe to assume the vast majority of people here are not married or in any long-term relationships (there's a joke about WATMM in there somewhere, I know), so perhaps my reasoning is being lost in the process.

having a go at a forum member for talking about simply seeing a sexy girl working in a wine shop is abit fuckin weird man.

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:25 PM, Adam Beker said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:05 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/7/2012 at 2:42 PM, messiaen said:

i know i sound like a broken record but i just literally cannot understand why joyrex has decided to destroy what was a truely fantastic forum with this kiddie rules bullshit.

 

i still come because i have no idea where else to go, but seriously, it kinda hurts inside.

 

you cultivated a truely awesome forum joyrex, and now youve decided to just destroy it. it makes no sens eot me

 

I just have to shake my head and laugh every time someone accuses me of making this site 'family friendly' or that I have some religious slant, or I'm "out to destroy the forum" bullshit - all I did was change the rules so NSFW/adult material and overtly sexual conversations were no longer part of WATMM, like they were long ago, before I lost focus on what the whole point of this site was about - electronic music, and sharing our thoughts and passions about said electronic music.

 

 

When 9 people out of 10 say that you're destroying the community, maybe you should not laugh but think about it?

 

 

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:05 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/7/2012 at 3:00 PM, Adam Beker said:

Joyrex thinks his decissions are making this forum better, at least he says so. I don't know if it's possible to convince him somehow that he's wrong. Even if it happens he always has the argument "this is my forum, I do what I want" to justify everything.

 

 

  On 4/7/2012 at 2:36 PM, gmanyo said:

Everyone keeps talking about the golden age of WATMM, but was it really as good as everyone says? I feel like y'all are just a bunch of old geezers talking about the non-existent "good ol' days" and telling new guys (and, more frequently, Joyrex) to get off of your lawn. I mean, Fred leaving sucks*, but was it really that great back then?

*Not that I knew him much, but he still sounds cool. Anyone care to post his avatar? I don't pay attention to names.

For me the golden days were about a year or so ago, when hathathat, sup and maximus weren't banned and you could post tits without fear and luke via was still posting and top posters were not gmanyo or stepheng. But I can imagine it was even better erlier with other people that got banned.

 

I've got Google Analytics and VigLink Affiliate Revenues that prove since the changes, things have gotten better - in terms of visitors and memberships, and in terms of ad revenue that helps pay the hosting costs.

 

 

You should make a skrillex subforum, I'm sure things will be even "better".

First of all, I'm not laughing about that - I said I was laughing about people who think I'm trying to make this site 'family friendly', which I'm not nor will I ever - some of the artists we discuss here are hardly family friendly, so hopefully that takes some wind out of those sails.

9 out of 10 people? You're taking surveys or something? It's silly for you to assume that your beliefs/feelings are shared by a overwhelming majority of people - if what you are assuming was true, why haven't droves of people left, off to find refuge on the other forums out there?

The fact is YOU are not happy with how I'm running things, and for that, all I can offer is that I am willing to listen to input made in a constructive manner, and if makes sense and is for the betterment of the community and is reasonably feasible, then it could be implemented. If you're still not happy, then perhaps you should ask yourself if it's worth sticking around or not. After all, this is a forum - it's not like this is some essential part of life or anything. We're all here to have fun and a laugh or two, be amazed by each others' creativity and celebrate our love of electronic music, and I assure you and everyone else, that's my goal and priority in keeping this forum on track so almost anyone can come here and feel welcome and not intimidated by content or personas they might find objectionable.

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:36 PM, messiaen said:

having a go at a forum member for talking about simply seeing a sexy girl working in a wine shop is abit fuckin weird man.

I think nobody's normal here, so why should the admin be? He's probably the sickest dude around here. I bet he did coke and heroin back in his days.

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:34 PM, Kanakori said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:29 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:51 PM, Root5 said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:05 PM, Joyrex said:

As for Fred McGriff: He left voluntarily (he had to ask several times for me to deactivate his account, in fact) - I never asked him to leave, and the whole ruckus was over his disagreeing with my moderation and censorship of topics and threads that I felt were contrary to the new rules on the forum, as well for the comment I made towards him about what his wife must think of his threads concerning his lusting over the wine store girl (and FYI - the first thread was closed because again, some of you took things too far and decided to take Fred's basis for what he considered a good subject for discussion and went into NSFW territory which violated the rules) in response to a swipe he took at me in the Funny Pictures thread implying that the GIF I posted of a guy getting a bulldozer's worth of water dumped on him as something I culled off "America's Funniest Home Videos" and how family-friendly it was. I never mentioned his family, and my own personal feeling (especially in retrospect) was that I gave him food for though, despite his claims his wife is alright with him (disrespecting her, as I see it, and I wonder if she is/was aware of what he's posted on WATMM) making threads about how he sees other women. I'm not going to go into it more or voice any more opinions on the matter since it's not fair due to Fred not being able to respond in kind. Despite our differences on that matter, I always found Fred to be a funny, engaging member of the forums, and while right now honestly I'm not sorry to see him go, perhaps in time him and I can come to terms over things and he can go back to the McGriff most here have praised.

 

I hope that I do not get banned for saying this. It is your forum (a great forum that I enjoy very much), and you certainly can make whatever rules you want. I can understand arguments for removing the porn. I can also somewhat understand the arguments for removing discussion of sex.

 

But I don't see the point of tut tutting over the way Fred lusted after a woman who was not his wife. Lots of people are cool with their partner sleeping with other people, let alone lusting after them. You cannot take it for granted that his posts were disrespectful to his wife at all. If you think the discussion was ill-suited for watmm, given the focus you want watmm to have, then that's one thing, but it seems a bit unnecessary that you were morally criticizing a member for expressing feelings of lust for someone other than his wife.

 

I wouldn't ban anyone over reasonably voicing their opinion - however, I hardly think it's the norm for any committed, married couple to be "cool" over their partner sleeping with someone else - I'm not sure where you are getting your examples from. And I would offer that since we are not aware if Fred's wife is/is not aware of what he posts online, it's an equally wrong assumption to assume she's aware, let alone OK with it. I think it would be safe to assume the vast majority of people here are not married or in any long-term relationships (there's a joke about WATMM in there somewhere, I know), so perhaps my reasoning is being lost in the process.

 

Well, sorry to intervene, but this one I can comment on, why is it your business if he wants to bang someone other than his wife? I think that subject should stay in the context of the thread he created.

 

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:25 PM, Adam Beker said:

You should make a skrillex subforum, I'm sure things will be even "better".

 

Lol my thoughts exactly after I read that

It's not, and nor did I make any judgements or comments in the thread regarding that or elsewhere - but it is my business when said thread goes way overboard (remember, I didn't delete the thread until after Fred asked the Mods to do so, and so many posts had to be removed due to violating the rules and taking the subject of the thread into NSFW territory.

If I was guilty of anything, it was making a low blow in response to Fred's pithy comment towards me, but it's not as if nobody else was thinking or wondering the same thing.

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:40 PM, Kanakori said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:36 PM, messiaen said:

having a go at a forum member for talking about simply seeing a sexy girl working in a wine shop is abit fuckin weird man.

 

I think nobody's normal here, so why should the admin be? He's probably the sickest dude around here. I bet he did coke and heroin back in his days.

Erm, you're really going a bit overboard with this - and you will not slander me on my own forum. Don't do it again.

lol

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:45 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:40 PM, Kanakori said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:36 PM, messiaen said:

having a go at a forum member for talking about simply seeing a sexy girl working in a wine shop is abit fuckin weird man.

 

I think nobody's normal here, so why should the admin be? He's probably the sickest dude around here. I bet he did coke and heroin back in his days.

 

Erm, you're really going a bit overboard with this - and you will not slander me on my own forum. Don't do it again.

Well that answer sure gave me a clearer insight.

Fine I won't, but I still laughed irl at your serious business.

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:36 PM, messiaen said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 7:29 PM, Joyrex said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:51 PM, Root5 said:

  On 4/9/2012 at 6:05 PM, Joyrex said:

As for Fred McGriff: He left voluntarily (he had to ask several times for me to deactivate his account, in fact) - I never asked him to leave, and the whole ruckus was over his disagreeing with my moderation and censorship of topics and threads that I felt were contrary to the new rules on the forum, as well for the comment I made towards him about what his wife must think of his threads concerning his lusting over the wine store girl (and FYI - the first thread was closed because again, some of you took things too far and decided to take Fred's basis for what he considered a good subject for discussion and went into NSFW territory which violated the rules) in response to a swipe he took at me in the Funny Pictures thread implying that the GIF I posted of a guy getting a bulldozer's worth of water dumped on him as something I culled off "America's Funniest Home Videos" and how family-friendly it was. I never mentioned his family, and my own personal feeling (especially in retrospect) was that I gave him food for though, despite his claims his wife is alright with him (disrespecting her, as I see it, and I wonder if she is/was aware of what he's posted on WATMM) making threads about how he sees other women. I'm not going to go into it more or voice any more opinions on the matter since it's not fair due to Fred not being able to respond in kind. Despite our differences on that matter, I always found Fred to be a funny, engaging member of the forums, and while right now honestly I'm not sorry to see him go, perhaps in time him and I can come to terms over things and he can go back to the McGriff most here have praised.

 

I hope that I do not get banned for saying this. It is your forum (a great forum that I enjoy very much), and you certainly can make whatever rules you want. I can understand arguments for removing the porn. I can also somewhat understand the arguments for removing discussion of sex.

 

But I don't see the point of tut tutting over the way Fred lusted after a woman who was not his wife. Lots of people are cool with their partner sleeping with other people, let alone lusting after them. You cannot take it for granted that his posts were disrespectful to his wife at all. If you think the discussion was ill-suited for watmm, given the focus you want watmm to have, then that's one thing, but it seems a bit unnecessary that you were morally criticizing a member for expressing feelings of lust for someone other than his wife.

 

I wouldn't ban anyone over reasonably voicing their opinion - however, I hardly think it's the norm for any committed, married couple to be "cool" over their partner sleeping with someone else - I'm not sure where you are getting your examples from. And I would offer that since we are not aware if Fred's wife is/is not aware of what he posts online, it's an equally wrong assumption to assume she's aware, let alone OK with it. I think it would be safe to assume the vast majority of people here are not married or in any long-term relationships (there's a joke about WATMM in there somewhere, I know), so perhaps my reasoning is being lost in the process.

 

having a go at a forum member for talking about simply seeing a sexy girl working in a wine shop is abit fuckin weird man.

As I said, I took an (admittedly) low shot at Fred in response to what he said to me - he's the one who decided to throw his toys out of the pram and go home.

What about me? Isn't it a bit fucking weird how so many people seem to think because I'm the Admin here, it's all right to insult and slander me, my children, wife, life, age, likes/dislikes? Nobody seems to rush to my defense when I'm being attacked, do they? Of course they don't - it's fun to thumb your nose at authority and see if you get away with it. What do you have to say about that?