School Shooting in Connecticut

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:20 AM, LimpyLoo said:

umm, nobody did that.

aye, they did. and it stunned me.

Who said it then?

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:21 AM, YO303 said:

Why is it always that with this types of tragedies the argument turns into a gun argument? are we really that simple and stupid to think is that black and white? are we really so gullible that the media controls our arguments as a society?

 

Maybe deaths could have been prevented by having gun control but little could have prevented this guy from going insane and killing a bunch of people. In my opinion we should spend more time exploring the psychology of the shooter and figure out a way to prevent/predict insane moments like the one in CT by preventing mentally unstable people from reaching that point (either with medication, therapy or whatever).

 

Its so easy to blame this on things like guns and video games, thats the easy way out, the safe opinion. Watching you guys (and people on facebook) keep mentioning guns is making me so aggravated, you guys are just following the media storyline, people will argue about guns for a while then they'll forget about the whole thing and nothing will be accomplished because the real arguments, the arguments that could matter are not being discussed.

 

By turning this tragedy into a gun argument we are missing way more important points, we are making the same mistake we did before, and when the next tragedy comes we'll make the same mistake again.

im sorry but when was the last time anyone in, and i take this as an example and i come from here, britain, slaughtered over ten people in a school/shopping centre/train station. there is clearly psychopaths everywhere, but the inability to obtain ballistic weaponry has blatantly made a serious difference in the ability to pull that shit off.

i have just remembered 7/7 but i feel like terrorists with bombs is a reasonably different issue here.

Can someone tell me why the crime rate in the UK is so much lower than the US?

  On 12/15/2012 at 5:22 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

The way I see it is that the only option is to

A) Make gun application extremely thorough

B) Cut down on people selling guns between each other

C) Arm many more people at schools and other public facilities.

 

If I had a kid going to school I would feel much more at ease knowing there are lots of armed people around my child able to protect them. As of right now public schools are too easy a target for shooters like this. I don't think that restricting gun laws is going to help too much and I'm not okay with the idea of an unarmed populous for numerous reasons. If we stopped the war on drugs and took a 1/4 of the money and put it towards "Gun Management" we could probably solve this issue for the most part. As it stands schools are too easy to infiltrate and harm people.

''who said it then''

its times like this im actually elated that im banned from america

I'm obviously for ridding the world of guns. However I think for America that might be a bit un-realistic at this point. So I think the better route would be to make guns a greater hassle, yearly evaluations/license renewal, any gun you own must have a gps chip in it that will disable the gun if it is brought into densely populated places like schools, the owner can also remotely disable the gun via computer/phone if it is stolen, and the owner can make the gun only be usable on their private property. Any guns found without the tech would be a major penalty... hunting ranges or shooting ranges would then still be usable. Also you shouldn't be able to own more than 2 guns at a time and if you want more for hunting they would have to be deactivated. Kind of like only being able to have access to the iTunes store on 5 different computers.

actually though, its just fucking brutal, cruel and stupid. unrealistic yes, but also just pure, unadulterated fucking evil. they have one purpose, killing things. im out of this thread but fucking hell. do not try and justify the fact that this is a country that literally lets everyone own a device that exists solely to slaughter people.

as much as hippys bore the shit out of me, its times like this i actually quite like them

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:46 AM, messiaen said:

actually though, its just fucking brutal, cruel and stupid. unrealistic yes, but also just pure, unadulterated fucking evil. they have one purpose, killing things. im out of this thread but fucking hell. do not try and justify the fact that this is a country that literally lets everyone own a device that exists solely to slaughter people.

 

as much as hippys bore the shit out of me, its times like this i actually quite like them

I think people fear that if you were to announce, "no more guns" in America, the 40% of Americans who deny evolution (ie delusional) will go into full conspiracy mode against the government and start a civil war or something. I think the approach to getting rid of guns has to be gradual.

denying evolution directly ties in with being a delusional idiot.

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:30 AM, messiaen said:

 

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:21 AM, YO303 said:

Why is it always that with this types of tragedies the argument turns into a gun argument? are we really that simple and stupid to think is that black and white? are we really so gullible that the media controls our arguments as a society?

 

Maybe deaths could have been prevented by having gun control but little could have prevented this guy from going insane and killing a bunch of people. In my opinion we should spend more time exploring the psychology of the shooter and figure out a way to prevent/predict insane moments like the one in CT by preventing mentally unstable people from reaching that point (either with medication, therapy or whatever).

 

Its so easy to blame this on things like guns and video games, thats the easy way out, the safe opinion. Watching you guys (and people on facebook) keep mentioning guns is making me so aggravated, you guys are just following the media storyline, people will argue about guns for a while then they'll forget about the whole thing and nothing will be accomplished because the real arguments, the arguments that could matter are not being discussed.

 

By turning this tragedy into a gun argument we are missing way more important points, we are making the same mistake we did before, and when the next tragedy comes we'll make the same mistake again.

im sorry but when was the last time anyone in, and i take this as an example and i come from here, britain, slaughtered over ten people in a school/shopping centre/train station. there is clearly psychopaths everywhere, but the inability to obtain ballistic weaponry has blatantly made a serious difference in the ability to pull that shit off.

 

i have just remembered 7/7 but i feel like terrorists with bombs is a reasonably different issue here.

 

If someone is determined to go out and kill a bunch of people they'll do it. In this case was guns but it could have easily been a home made bomb. The guy who shoot up that theater had the ability to make a home-made bomb which could have killed everybody in that screening. Also there are cases all over the world of people going in rampages and killing people, those cases are not high profile because there is nothing in it for the media. (the only high profile case outside the US i can think of right now was that guy in Germany a couple of years ago)

The united states has a bigger population than countries in Europe hence the increase in possibility of mental unsuitability (similar to why India has so many deformities). The Untied States also has a collective stress that makes people go Michael Douglas in Falling Down. (example - that guy who flew a plane into a IRS building .. no guns, just a unstable minded guy determined to make a point)

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:55 AM, YO303 said:

 

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:30 AM, messiaen said:

 

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:21 AM, YO303 said:

Why is it always that with this types of tragedies the argument turns into a gun argument? are we really that simple and stupid to think is that black and white? are we really so gullible that the media controls our arguments as a society?

 

Maybe deaths could have been prevented by having gun control but little could have prevented this guy from going insane and killing a bunch of people. In my opinion we should spend more time exploring the psychology of the shooter and figure out a way to prevent/predict insane moments like the one in CT by preventing mentally unstable people from reaching that point (either with medication, therapy or whatever).

 

Its so easy to blame this on things like guns and video games, thats the easy way out, the safe opinion. Watching you guys (and people on facebook) keep mentioning guns is making me so aggravated, you guys are just following the media storyline, people will argue about guns for a while then they'll forget about the whole thing and nothing will be accomplished because the real arguments, the arguments that could matter are not being discussed.

 

By turning this tragedy into a gun argument we are missing way more important points, we are making the same mistake we did before, and when the next tragedy comes we'll make the same mistake again.

im sorry but when was the last time anyone in, and i take this as an example and i come from here, britain, slaughtered over ten people in a school/shopping centre/train station. there is clearly psychopaths everywhere, but the inability to obtain ballistic weaponry has blatantly made a serious difference in the ability to pull that shit off.

 

i have just remembered 7/7 but i feel like terrorists with bombs is a reasonably different issue here.

 

 

 

If someone is determined to go out and kill a bunch of people they'll do it. In this case was guns but it could have easily been a home made bomb. The guy who shoot up that theater had the ability to make a home-made bomb which could have killed everybody in that screening. Also there are cases all over the world of people going in rampages and killing people, those cases are not high profile because there is nothing in it for the media. (the only high profile case outside the US i can think of right now was that guy in Germany a couple of years ago)

 

The united states has a bigger population than countries in Europe hence the increase in possibility of mental unsuitability (similar to why India has no many deformities). The Untied States also has a collective stress that makes people go Michael Douglas in Falling Down.

 

so if thats the case wheres the examples of it happening in the uk.

i did just remember raoul moat. fuck this argument anyway. it shouldnt even be an argument. its just common sense and decency.

Don't get me wrong, gun culture has some blame in this but with so many psychopaths and mentally unstable people out there we should be able to detect them and neutralize them with medication. Also the collective stress of the United States is insane, but nobody is fucking talking about it, the media and the public (whos opinion is controlled by the media it seems) only focus on one aspect of it, the gun aspect or the video game aspect, which is a easier route to take (the usa will rather debate gun law for all eternity than find solution to other aspects of tragedies like this one)

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:33 AM, messiaen said:

its times like this im actually elated that im banned from america

orly?

Bombs?

Honestly, if someone is severely distraught and -hell-bent on killing people and they didn't have quick access to a gun, in the passion of the moment they're not gonna sit down and do a fucking science project (excuse my french).

If we're talking about someone with patience and pre-meditation then sure.

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:54 AM, messiaen said:

denying evolution directly ties in with being a delusional idiot.

And a large number of angry delusional idiots banding together is a dangerous thing.

They should fit schools with gunshot detection system so that if 1 shot goes off a sonic/ultrasonic incapacitating alarm of some kind goes off so that the first shot would likely be the last shot

  On 12/16/2012 at 7:56 AM, RadarJammer said:

They should fit schools with gunshot detection system so that if 1 shot goes off a sonic/ultrasonic incapacitating alarm of some kind goes off so that the first shot would likely be the last shot

Good idea.

  On 12/16/2012 at 7:59 AM, compson said:

 

  On 12/16/2012 at 7:56 AM, RadarJammer said:

They should fit schools with gunshot detection system so that if 1 shot goes off a sonic/ultrasonic incapacitating alarm of some kind goes off so that the first shot would likely be the last shot

 

Good idea.

 

Shit, this is a good idea. And maybe not just schools.

  On 12/15/2012 at 4:50 PM, Hoodie said:

the world is fucked. gun control laws won't help--our culture is the fucked up part. this guy thought it was a better idea to kill his family and a bunch of five year olds than go talk to someone about whatever issues he had with his mom. we need to take steps as a society to destigmatize mental illness so that finding help from a professional turns into the default first choice. the first step would obviously be making counseling widely available... but americans can't even get their shit together on health care, so i don't have high hopes for anything to do with mental health.

I already cancelled two long rants I almost posted to make this kind of point. When a mass shooting occurs, our knee-jerk reaction is to blame guns, but we don't address the mental issues. A reclusive, mentally anguished individual with access to a gun is much more likely to kill people than a stable, healthy individual who owns a gun. We need to address the problem at its core, not just superficially. That is, a mentally unstable man with a gun kills people, not a gun alone.

I haven't given up hope on our society, but this long struggle with gun violence is equally tragic and frustrating. And like Hoodie mentioned, if you're having problems in life, TALK about them. Don't just bottle them up until it bursts.

this thread is the biggest group of absolute fucking morons I have ever seen

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/14wyhp/morgan_freemans_response_to_the_shootings/

  On 12/16/2012 at 9:06 AM, vamos scorcho said:

this thread is the biggest group of absolute fucking morons I have ever seen

 

 

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/14wyhp/morgan_freemans_response_to_the_shootings/

I skimmed it, but couldn't spend more than a minute there or my brain cells would start dying.

edit

  On 12/16/2012 at 9:10 AM, ambermonk said:

 

  On 12/16/2012 at 9:06 AM, vamos scorcho said:

this thread is the biggest group of absolute fucking morons I have ever seen

 

 

 

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/14wyhp/morgan_freemans_response_to_the_shootings/

I skimmed it, but couldn't spend more than a minute there or my brain cells would start dying.

 

glad I'm not the only one. what I dislike about Reddit is that it;s comment sections presumes to not be Youtube

please, everybody watch that video.

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:56 AM, messiaen said:

 

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:55 AM, YO303 said:

 

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:30 AM, messiaen said:

 

  On 12/16/2012 at 5:21 AM, YO303 said:

Why is it always that with this types of tragedies the argument turns into a gun argument? are we really that simple and stupid to think is that black and white? are we really so gullible that the media controls our arguments as a society?

 

Maybe deaths could have been prevented by having gun control but little could have prevented this guy from going insane and killing a bunch of people. In my opinion we should spend more time exploring the psychology of the shooter and figure out a way to prevent/predict insane moments like the one in CT by preventing mentally unstable people from reaching that point (either with medication, therapy or whatever).

 

Its so easy to blame this on things like guns and video games, thats the easy way out, the safe opinion. Watching you guys (and people on facebook) keep mentioning guns is making me so aggravated, you guys are just following the media storyline, people will argue about guns for a while then they'll forget about the whole thing and nothing will be accomplished because the real arguments, the arguments that could matter are not being discussed.

 

By turning this tragedy into a gun argument we are missing way more important points, we are making the same mistake we did before, and when the next tragedy comes we'll make the same mistake again.

im sorry but when was the last time anyone in, and i take this as an example and i come from here, britain, slaughtered over ten people in a school/shopping centre/train station. there is clearly psychopaths everywhere, but the inability to obtain ballistic weaponry has blatantly made a serious difference in the ability to pull that shit off.

 

i have just remembered 7/7 but i feel like terrorists with bombs is a reasonably different issue here.

 

 

 

If someone is determined to go out and kill a bunch of people they'll do it. In this case was guns but it could have easily been a home made bomb. The guy who shoot up that theater had the ability to make a home-made bomb which could have killed everybody in that screening. Also there are cases all over the world of people going in rampages and killing people, those cases are not high profile because there is nothing in it for the media. (the only high profile case outside the US i can think of right now was that guy in Germany a couple of years ago)

 

The united states has a bigger population than countries in Europe hence the increase in possibility of mental unsuitability (similar to why India has no many deformities). The Untied States also has a collective stress that makes people go Michael Douglas in Falling Down.

 

so if thats the case wheres the examples of it happening in the uk.

 

i did just remember raoul moat. fuck this argument anyway. it shouldnt even be an argument. its just common sense and decency.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre

not as many as USA but its a much smaller country obviously