elseq 1-5

So basically, the biggest music media around is publishing a good coverage of a truly experimental record (it's not xenakis but come on, it's not an easy record either, even by AE standards) & you're complaining ? Also, it's hard to say what is 'jams' & what is "composed" : the AE_LIVE recordings seems composed while they're obvisouly errr..live jams.

To all folks complaining about the price: if you want this music enough, you'll find the money. Otherwise let it be a lesson and start saving NOW for the next AE release!!

To all folks complaining about Autechre reviews in the media: These journalists aren't necessarily Autechre fans or properly familiar with Autechre. You can't be too hard on them. They probably got schedules and review deadlines etc. Elseq being just one on a list of albums to listen to and review. A 7/10 is not a bad review for experimental music like this and it gives Autechre a bit of exposure.

Where's the beef?

If you think you can write better reviews, contact the site/magazine whatever and do your thing.

my reviews are consistently superior to all written materials so i think i have some leverage when shit-talking pitchfork thanks very much

i give the pitchfork reviewer a 3 from 10.

yeah you should get your reviews out there for public consumption, dazzle the uninitiated and blow pitchfork out of the water

  On 5/29/2016 at 12:30 AM, Alcofribas said:

my reviews are consistently superior to all written materials so i think i have some leverage when shit-talking pitchfork thanks very much

We're waiting.

drunken listening to elseq 4 on the tube home was great, a+. goods hit. latentcall is the best track on the whole thing I think, the ending of it is something else entirely.

13x0 step is my jam today. I love how it starts as a death-defying chase and works its way into a smug, buttery groove. It's like alien trap.

I love listening to these on my bassy home setup but they somehow make more sense and are more emotional when in a car or on headphones, in motion.

  On 5/29/2016 at 1:24 AM, auxien said:

 

  On 5/29/2016 at 12:30 AM, Alcofribas said:

my reviews are consistently superior to all written materials so i think i have some leverage when shit-talking pitchfork thanks very much

We're waiting.

 

"elseq" is the alcofribas review of "ae live"

it all makes sense now

  On 5/29/2016 at 1:24 AM, auxien said:

 

  On 5/29/2016 at 12:30 AM, Alcofribas said:

my reviews are consistently superior to all written materials so i think i have some leverage when shit-talking pitchfork thanks very much

We're waiting.

 

meanwhile, here's OPN's review:

https://twitter.com/0pn/status/736720436134830080

  On 5/29/2016 at 10:45 AM, phling said:

meanwhile, here's OPN's review:

https://twitter.com/0pn/status/736720436134830080

lel

foldfree casual could be the theme music for this summer for me.

13x0 step = Clonk 2016

Do you hear it?

So much to explore. After almost a week, I only listened properly to two tracks. 13x0 and lentic.

Works best for me on big stereo.

  On 5/28/2016 at 3:19 PM, Alcofribas said:

 

  On 5/28/2016 at 11:59 AM, wredny said:

There it is. The Pitchforks have spoken: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21950-elseq-1-5/

imo "elseq" does not definitely sound like jams. this review is only echoing what lots of people on here have been taking for granted, that this release is autechre jamming or improvising or running software that's being controlled in real-time. it's certainly possible that this is true, or that at least some of the tracks employ such methods. but imo there is nothing about this music that is just so obviously "jams" like pitchfork and some peeps on this forum are suggesting and if it wasn't for the fact that sean has talked a lot about computers and spitting out albums in real time i'mnot sure what it is about this release that's justscreaming "this is just some edited jams by the electronica duo the 'chre."

 

fact is we have no real idea about autechre's compositional processes. and this seems like a fairly deliberately contrived mystery on their part; for all their willingness to discuss software stuff or how they make albums by pressing record and jamming away, they also seem to walk back many of these claims and insist tracks are made meticulously note by note or sean will get pissed and tell people they don't know what they're talking about when they employ the term "generative." personally, i don't think they're being mysterious to construct some cool idm identity, i just think they're artists who don't wish to be pinned down by cheap shop talk in lame interviews.

 

anyway, this pitchfork review is, unsurisingly, shit. there's no way some reviewer sat down, listened to 4 hours of autechre and just came to the conclusion that these are jams. the reviewer probably played elseq on his computer while browsing the internet to find things to write in his assignment and came up with "it's long" and "it's jams."

 

love this bit: "the Brown and Booths violent squelches."

 

I'm not going to pretend that I know why the reviewer referred to jamming, but I think this can be valid point. The tracks are long. Progressions rather slow and not that abrupt as on their previous releases. So yeah, I can understand that for some this is jamming - things move rather slowly like being manipulated in realtime. If the tracks had been edited & shortened, the vibe probably would be different.

TBM2 is a grower. A short hip-hip respite after the monstrosity called eastre.

  On 5/28/2016 at 8:05 PM, ScaldedBorneo said:

 

  On 5/28/2016 at 7:17 PM, thehauntingsoul said:

 

  On 5/28/2016 at 11:59 AM, wredny said:

There it is. The Pitchforks have spoken: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21950-elseq-1-5/

 

I'm sure it's not just me who thinks this, but rating music on a 1-10 scale is the dumbest thing ever. It makes sense for video games, movies, tv shows, but music is far less constrained than those media. Apart from the mastering and sound quality, there's almost no objective qualities of music.

 

In the end all art is subjective, even cinema and video games. Yes, you can try to be as objective as possible, but it's still art in the end.

 

I don't think a 1-10 scale is supposed to be some objective rating. People who claim it is are misrepresenting it. The scale is just a subjective measure of the reviewer's own enjoyment of that piece of art.

 

I love rating things on a 1-10 scale. I do it for every movie I watch and album I listen to, and I like keeping track of my ratings and ordering them. I would never be stupid enough to claim it is objective in any way. It is based on my own values and criteria, and in the end the number only represents my own enjoyment. Things I give a 10 I love most and know I could listen to forever. Things I give a 7 are pretty good, but missing something to be great, so I might listen to it occasionally. It is just for my own purposes because I like organizing it.

 

Well in video games, there are plenty of objective things that you can score that won't be so tightly constrained to opinion. For example you could talk about graphic fidelity, game performance, control responsiveness, the presence or lack of content, how comprehensive the settings are, and things like that. Sure there will still be lots of subjective things such as fun factor, art style, etc but there is at least some objective difference between a game rated 2/10 vs a game rated 10/10. With music it almost entirely comes down to subjective opinion of the art since there's a lot less technical aspects to assess.

I guess what I'm saying is the difference between a poorly, sloppily made video game and an expertly crafted one is something that more people will agree with but that's not necessarily the case when it comes to music.

  On 5/29/2016 at 7:10 PM, wredny said:

 

  On 5/28/2016 at 3:19 PM, Alcofribas said:

 

  On 5/28/2016 at 11:59 AM, wredny said:

There it is. The Pitchforks have spoken: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/21950-elseq-1-5/

imo "elseq" does not definitely sound like jams. this review is only echoing what lots of people on here have been taking for granted, that this release is autechre jamming or improvising or running software that's being controlled in real-time. it's certainly possible that this is true, or that at least some of the tracks employ such methods. but imo there is nothing about this music that is just so obviously "jams" like pitchfork and some peeps on this forum are suggesting and if it wasn't for the fact that sean has talked a lot about computers and spitting out albums in real time i'mnot sure what it is about this release that's justscreaming "this is just some edited jams by the electronica duo the 'chre."

 

fact is we have no real idea about autechre's compositional processes. and this seems like a fairly deliberately contrived mystery on their part; for all their willingness to discuss software stuff or how they make albums by pressing record and jamming away, they also seem to walk back many of these claims and insist tracks are made meticulously note by note or sean will get pissed and tell people they don't know what they're talking about when they employ the term "generative." personally, i don't think they're being mysterious to construct some cool idm identity, i just think they're artists who don't wish to be pinned down by cheap shop talk in lame interviews.

 

anyway, this pitchfork review is, unsurisingly, shit. there's no way some reviewer sat down, listened to 4 hours of autechre and just came to the conclusion that these are jams. the reviewer probably played elseq on his computer while browsing the internet to find things to write in his assignment and came up with "it's long" and "it's jams."

 

love this bit: "the Brown and Booths violent squelches."

 

 

(...) Progressions rather slow and not that abrupt as on their previous releases. (...)

this applies to pretty much their whole output up to untilted, tho. even on exai the average number of distinct "parts" per track was 2~3 max... meandering tracks with shitloads of microvariation is pretty much what autechre is (with obvious exceptions). this release is not particularly jammy imo.

  On 5/28/2016 at 6:39 PM, eugene said:

rob yawning @ 24:45 of elyc6 0nset.

  On 5/29/2016 at 8:11 PM, thehauntingsoul said:

 

 

Well in video games, there are plenty of objective things that you can score that won't be so tightly constrained to opinion. For example you could talk about graphic fidelity, game performance, control responsiveness, the presence or lack of content, how comprehensive the settings are, and things like that. Sure there will still be lots of subjective things such as fun factor, art style, etc but there is at least some objective difference between a game rated 2/10 vs a game rated 10/10. With music it almost entirely comes down to subjective opinion of the art since there's a lot less technical aspects to assess.

 

I guess what I'm saying is the difference between a poorly, sloppily made video game and an expertly crafted one is something that more people will agree with but that's not necessarily the case when it comes to music.

 

Yeah all very good points actually. There are similar points to be made about movies as well. And I guess there is a little bit of objectiveness when it comes to music like sound quality and stuff, but yeah overall music is way more subjective.

this is cool,

would make a good present from you to me.

will check out someday, I got 55 on it.

Just can't get this right now, will do as soon as I can. But today I clicked randomly on the first minute-or-so of acdwn2 via the autechrebleepstorethingymejiggy. That was enough. Big big AE sounds.

pendulu hv moda really is something else, when I listen I'm just waiting for those two awesome synths to come in and basically tell their own story. 2:52 and the huge one at 7:09, I can't get enough of them. In my top 5 for sure. So many mental images.

Listened to all of them in one go while sick. Very futuristic sounding and amazing. Really liked 7th slip and freuleaux. Couple of the tracks did sound like they went on for too long and got listener fatigue.

Sounded like there were bits of speech in "Oneum". I'm hoping that "Oneum" is "WATMM" spelled phonetically and its a sampled reading of the horrible posts in the subforum.