Russia is now bombing Ukraine

  On 3/1/2025 at 4:34 PM, decibal cooper said:

I live in reality, I live on the earth. It was a brutal war and Russia had superior fire power and more people to throw in the meat grinder. They are not going to surrender when they are winning and when there is no prospect for Ukraine to retake those territories.

this is not really an anti-war view, so much as support for whoever has more military power. you "end the war" by surrendering to the mightiest aggressor. looks to me like a completely dismal and immoral position. 

i think it also leads you to support trump in a really weird way. he says he wants to take minerals from ukraine and use them to make weapons. it's right there in the video you claim demonstrates his commitment to ending war. 

he says he has to "make the deal first" and isn't concerned about security. does that sound like a plan zelensky can take? does that sound like ending the war? of course not. the whole point is that there are no security assurances in this "deal." zelensky would be a fool to take it. just because the dogs in the white house bark words you want to hear does not mean they're not going to keep biting.

  On 3/1/2025 at 4:43 PM, auxien said:

it's a waste of time speaking with anyone who's so morally bankrupt to suggest that Putin should be handed the keys to Kyiv. go talk that childish bigbrainboy shit somewhere else. 

yes that's me, mr. morally bankrupt who has been arguing for diplomatic solutions and an end to war in both ukraine and gaza in virtually every political post that I make on here

If the deal goes down, Russia will keep Crimea (which they already had) and also those 4 eastern oblasts that border Russia. The only way to prevent this would be for Europe and America to send troops to fight alongside the Ukrainian forces and retake the land, which will and should never happen because it would most likely escalate to a nuclear confrontation. Kyiv will still be sovereign Ukrainian territory, along with 80% of the country that Russia has not occupied.

  On 3/1/2025 at 6:35 PM, decibal cooper said:

yes that's me, mr. morally bankrupt who has been arguing for diplomatic solutions and an end to war in both ukraine and gaza in virtually every political post that I make on here

If the deal goes down, Russia will keep Crimea (which they already had) and also those 4 eastern oblasts that border Russia. The only way to prevent this would be for Europe and America to send troops to fight alongside the Ukrainian forces and retake the land, which will and should never happen because it would most likely escalate to a nuclear confrontation. Kyiv will still be sovereign Ukrainian territory, along with 80% of the country that Russia has not occupied.

Zelenskyy already declined on the deal, and he will never take it. I don't see how the fuck you can even support this blackmail you call a "deal". What if somebody invades your home and you have to spend the next three years keeping them at bay (with significant damages along the way), only to have friend of said invader come along and tell you to effectively face eviction as a peace offering? Fuck that shit.

  On 3/1/2025 at 4:49 PM, Alcofribas said:

this is not really an anti-war view, so much as support for whoever has more military power. you "end the war" by surrendering to the mightiest aggressor. looks to me like a completely dismal and immoral position. 

i think it also leads you to support trump in a really weird way. he says he wants to take minerals from ukraine and use them to make weapons. it's right there in the video you claim demonstrates his commitment to ending war. 

he says he has to "make the deal first" and isn't concerned about security. does that sound like a plan zelensky can take? does that sound like ending the war? of course not. the whole point is that there are no security assurances in this "deal." zelensky would be a fool to take it. just because the dogs in the white house bark words you want to hear does not mean they're not going to keep biting.

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I agree with you that it is not anti-war in the same way that MLK was anti war in his "Beyond Vietnam" speech, or in the way that the modern day antiwar activist group Code Pink is anti war, but you are like the others in having an unrealistic view of what the realities are on the front lines and what the realistic options are for bringing this thing to a close. I very much disagree with you about this, and I think that your view is the immoral one (although ultimately I think that it is not even correct to bring morals into it when we are talking about a brutal war of attrition): your view is immortal in this sense because your position is that the war should continue. Is this not your position? If it is, then you are advocating for Russia to continue steamrolling the front lines and gaining even more territory, with even more Ukrainian and Russian young men being killed for no good reason.

Trump did not outline what all the deal entails, but in the video you are right, he mentions that US will have contracts to develop the infrastructure for extracting minerals that are needed for America's tech and military industries. The US is basically going to pillage the remainder of Ukraine for its minerals, and this is a component of the security assurance, that US has large scale investments there. He also mentions peace keeping forces coming from Europe.

There needs to be a deal to cease hostilities before all of this stuff can move forward. I agree with you that it is far from perfect, and I know that every one disagrees with me on this, but you guys think that biden admin, and those fucks like victoria nuland and blinken and sullivan and the elites of Europe are blameless in this. There were multiple off ramps to this war escalating, the most significant one being the extensive peace talks that took place immediately following the initial invasion in Istanbul in 2022. You do not like the deal? Fine, neither do I. The Ukrainian people have been completely fucked by the west. The west did not give a fuck about these bullshit soundbytes of defending democracy. They front like this is important to them while having robust economic and military relationships with dictatorships and Islamist governments like Saudis and Egypt. They do not give a fuck. I agree with those guys like Sachs and Mearsheimer and most of all Lawrence Wilkerson: the point of NATO after fall of soviet union was for America to have economic and political hegemony over Europe (and also to sell them tons of military equipment). Look at who Ukraine's leading trading partner was in 2012 and 2013, in the lead up to the coup in 2014 in Ukraine, trading partner for both exports and imports.

You might not like to hear this alco, but your position on this issue is the same position as people like John Bolton, Lindsay Graham, and Bill Kristol.

None of you can even propose a meaningful and realistic and possible way to end the war. You can call me pro trump or whatever you like, I honestly do not care. He campaigned on bringing this thing to a close, and he won, and he is attempting to get the best deal for America to get its money back and to prevent Ukraine from completely collapsing. This is more than biden did. His administration led Ukraine on and did not provide them the means that they needed to win (because they did not give a fuck whether or not they won: they wanted to weaken Russia and bring Europe underneath their boot heel).

  On 3/1/2025 at 6:51 PM, decibal cooper said:

None of you can even propose a meaningful and realistic and possible way to end the war.

kill Putin and his lackeys? behead them in the middle of Kyiv?

goddamn that was fuckin' easy? am i a political genius? can feel my brain embiggening by the second. 

  On 3/1/2025 at 3:57 PM, decibal cooper said:

please don't get mad at me fellas but I think if you watch the full 50 minute conference that zelensky is the one that fucked up here. Most of the time that trump speaks his emphasis is on ending the war and violence. Every time trump mentions Ukrainian soldiers, he mentions their bravery. He most likely did this all out in the open to let the Russians know, with full transparency, that zelensky is not ready to seek a diplomatic solution and wants to prolong the war, and maybe just as important he is letting Europe know that his admin has absolutely zero plans to continue military aid to Ukraine. If zelensky does not come back to do the deal, then Ukraine will have to continue its fight without US aid, and Europe at that point will have to deal with this on their own.

 

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Are you in high school?

some good analysis.

  On 3/1/2025 at 9:57 PM, Keyxox said:

What Trump is doing right is that the USA will secure valuable minerals, pull Putin away from China, and, under the pretext of American business interests, will have leverage to demand that Putin stop the destruction.

I have to disagree with this bit. USA is not in a position to pull Putin away from China. The economic ties between Russia and China are simply too big. The US (Trump) think they are in a position to do so, I give you that. But in the end Putin will do what he thinks is best. And use the current change of positioning of US geopolitics to his advantage. 

The only thing that might be risky for Putin, is that he needs an international conflict such as this to keep his position within the Kremlin safe. He needs this pretended war with the West in order to keep is War-economy going. If Trump keeps on kissing Putins ass, it becomes harder to pretend he's at war with the West.

It’s such a retarded false dichotomy to cling to:

you either accept our deal (whatever it is, no matter how shitty) or you must want more war

(+you need to show gratitude)

Trump is another tarded puppet of the western zionist cabal (America has always been, more clearly so since the demise of Kennedy, and then the total freedom of action of the FED  mafia) who has made an embarrasing clear unveiling of himself of what an arrogant clown he is to the rest of the world (if anyone had any doubts of it yet) in that surrealist oval office press conference with Zelensky. Not to mention other pearls like this shit, c'mon:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGhfpgHsOg6/

It is such a shame that a person like this inept lucky naive billionare has reached these power positions, twice... backed by the cabal of course, and this time by laughable pysops like the Pennsylvania shooting. I mean how a country like Usa have had such crappy presidents since the last 50 years at least, a clear sign that the system has been rotten for many many years. Look at how he responds to a journalist's questions around min 5:15 of the next vid wtf (and by the way in that vid it is kinda omitted a lenghtly argumentation of the previous past years ukranian situation by Zelensky, not to mention the other arrogant inept J.D vance):

An the case of Ukraine has been pretty clear from the beggining of the previous century that the aim has always been to destroy it as sovereing nation and make it part of Russia. Firstly with the "De-Cossackization", then with the "Holodomor", in which case the Donbas and Kuban region were effectively decimated of ukranian inhabitants and repopulated with russians (hence the reason of why those regons like Donetsk, Lugansk, etc being nowadays pro-russian). Then the Crimean war and annexion in 2014, and now this bigger war... How that cannot be an ethnic and cultural ukranian cleansing to destroy them as a country and absorb it as Russian Oblast. 

The case is these mafia bankers want to secure the piece of the pie as soon as possible now. They get the chance for the occasion to lend billions for military expenses during these 3 years, in the first phase when they got the destruction done and now they are  striving to get the rare earth mines and the reconstruction civil deals for Black rock and the other members of the cabal. But all of the people massacred criminally in the process by those unjust agressions are just meningless like always as the case of Gaza too.

  On 3/2/2025 at 12:04 AM, Keyxox said:

 

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Jeffrey Sachs isn't stunning anyone these days. He's been peddling the same tankie drivel for years, whitewashing Putin, Assad etc. A laughing stock.

gotta confess.. Sachs had me for a bit w/some of what he says. his "inside the loop" shpeel about certain people who blew up negotiations and victoria newland etc.. and some of what he says almost seems altruistic about a multi polar world and the USA goal of "full spectrum dominance" but it requires a big buy in to the premise.. or multiple premises about putin, china, ukraine etc.. and there are other people who brush up against that kind of thing here and there who are worth respecting.. chris hedges for example.. but both of them come back to netanyahu about certain things which seems quite true.. 

regardless, i think somewhere between sachs, hedges, the various other narratives is the actual truth. i do 100% think putin wanted a stooge in charge in ukraine so he could be dominant and extract all the riches he wanted etc.  i don't know how much of the "greater russia" narrative i believe but seems like some of that is true.. ukrainians obviously didn't want that fucking guy in there before.. the one who had his own private zoo w/a giraffe and a pond with a big yacht in the back yard of his palace etc.. 

i'm not expert on the history and the personalities involved and let's be real.. this all goes back over decades in some ways and it's hard to know which thing was a seed to which end result. but here we are so what do we do now? trump and vance are fucking awful. putin is an obvious thug and autocrat. 

the USA isn't to far behind in becoming a mafia type nation with a different face. 

the videos posted earlier in this thread by someone.. ugh.. i forget who.. but i need to watch them again. 

Sachs has a lot of valid criticisms of the US and The West, as do many other RT talking heads. He seems like a serious guy and not a lunatic at all until somebody asks him difficult questions about the autocratic regimes he launders for.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/jeffrey-sachss-great-power-politics

more like Jeffrey Sucks amirite.

  On 3/1/2025 at 2:19 PM, may be rude said:

...like piss in the eyes. 

  On 3/1/2025 at 4:13 PM, Hi Guys said:

Someone help me out here. I genuinely do not understand how a president can go against the interests of multiple intelligence communities globally by being so blatantly compromised without any kind of accountability or consequence. Is he really just allowed to put full blown Russian assets into positions that can compromise the interests of democracy and the country? Like tulsi running the dni, voting with Russia  at the un… what the fuck is this shit and why is it just being allowed? 

the way the system is designed to handle the situation is for congress to impeach, convict, and remove the president from office. 

anyone with a Republican House rep or Senator should think about how they can help that congress member realize, sooner rather than later, that trump's a russian agent, and that congress may have to remove him from office before it's too late

  On 3/1/2025 at 6:35 PM, decibal cooper said:

the deal

You keep going on about the deal. There is no deal. There is only extortion.

You might laugh at the idea, but "the deal" included no guarantees from Putin. All it included was continuous extraction of resources from Ukraine.

And just in case you think this is some mendaciousness from the "mainstream media", the Kremlin has saved you the trouble:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/03/02/kremlin-says-us-foreign-policy-shift-aligns-with-its-own-vision-a88217

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The Kremlin said in remarks aired Sunday that the United States' sudden shift in foreign policy "largely aligns" with its own position.

"The new administration is rapidly changing all foreign policy configurations. This largely aligns with our vision," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told a reporter from state television.

  On 3/1/2025 at 6:35 PM, decibal cooper said:

yes that's me, mr. morally bankrupt who has been arguing for diplomatic solutions and an end to war in both ukraine and gaza in virtually every political post that I make on here

If the deal goes down, Russia will keep Crimea (which they already had) and also those 4 eastern oblasts that border Russia. The only way to prevent this would be for Europe and America to send troops to fight alongside the Ukrainian forces and retake the land, which will and should never happen because it would most likely escalate to a nuclear confrontation. Kyiv will still be sovereign Ukrainian territory, along with 80% of the country that Russia has not occupied.

ok so here's the deal i would like to make with you: i break into your house, kick down the furniture, take a shit on the couch, throw rocks at the tv, smash all your lightbulbs with a golf club, grab a bunch of your dvds and stick them in the microwave, eat everything in the fridge, piss into the kitchen sink, dial a bunch of international calls on your phone, order takeout food with your credit cards, spray paint a bunch of propaganda slogans on your walls, wipe my nose on all your t-shirts, post my naked ass on craiglist with your address, play bbc porn on your tv and blast jamaican music on your bluetooth headset while jerking off into your food mixer filled with sriracha with no lid on that shit.

then i do the same thing to all your family members for 2.5 years because this is something that affects your closest relatives, your children, yours and everybody's careers and futures.

the deal is - i keep your stuff, me and my homies move into your house and sell all your stuff to be manufactured into weapons by donald trump. you agree to it because that would bring peace, and we won't offer you any other option. aaaaaaaaaand also remember when i stole your car like ten years ago? i will keep your car (which i already had). think it over.

That blackmailing son of a bitch just suspended all US military aid to Ukraine. 

One of many sauces:

 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/03/trump-zelenskyy-do-over-00209494

  On 3/4/2025 at 1:56 AM, Dragon said:

spray paint a bunch of propaganda slogans on your walls

"LARRY WAS HERE"

"WASH ME"

today pete hegeseth, sec of defense, put a stop of offensive cyber actions against russia.  jfc. i'm sure we got something in return right? 

I'm sure some cryptostuff happens and the kompromat stays in the drawer. I wonder what dirt they have on them. Must be fucking horrific.

  On 3/2/2025 at 11:59 PM, may be rude said:

 

the way the system is designed to handle the situation is for congress to impeach, convict, and remove the president from office. 

 

anyone with a Republican House rep or Senator should think about how they can help that congress member realize, sooner rather than later, that trump's a russian agent, and that congress may have to remove him from office before it's too late

this "russian agent" narrative was tired back in trump's first term, and even more useless in his second.  this idea that republicans are going to "realize" anything they don't already know is even more naive.  too late for what?  they put him in office along with the rest of the american owning class.  they want him there