On 11/11/2024 at 9:19 AM, taphead said:

He's going to unwind the interpretation of section 1557 of the affordable care act that was recently established, which prohibits health insurers and providers from discriminating against someone on the basis of their trans identity.

I have spent a lot of the past year attempting to counsel trans people who are struggling. The hostility that the education department and federal healthcare restrictions will direct towards trans youths will make it more difficult for me to do this, because I know that I absolutely would've killed myself if I was aware that I could get treatment for my gender dysphoria, but the government is actively suppressing any glimmer of that treatment.

JD Vance's anti-trans legislation from last year, or maybe it was this year, part of it included restricting medical schools from teaching anything about trans surgeries. If they accomplish that, then that might cause some difficulties in my later years, if I need access to doctors who know about this stuff.

If they can get a Hyde amendment type of thing that prevents any federal dollars from going to trans health care, then this will be a lot of impact on my life. Like, if I go to prison, in addition to the risk of being v-coded, I guess they could deny me access to healthcare? More incentive to not get arrested, I guess. Pretty much any federal employment seems like it'd be a bad idea.

In general, the continued use of trans people as culture war thing will have all sorts of effects on my life. There's been some initial polling that seems to suggest that even if people think that Trump is doing too many trans ads, and that they don't think it's an important issue, the overall opinion of trans people goes down. I am going to die in a world that hates what's inside me even more than it did when I was born, and it already has fucked me up, the amount that it hated me at that point. So I don't know what this will do to me. This should be a ridiculously melodramatic statement but it's going to be genuinely true, like there's going to be hard numbers on this.

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First off, I'm incredibly sorry to hear all the doom and gloom stuff that might happen and I can't imagine what that feels like for you.

But I'm asking because I have really no idea, what is the dynamic of federal vs. state laws regarding what you're talking about?  Would the federal initiatives that you're talking about supersede state laws that might be more pro-trans?  That seems unlikely to me but I fully admit I am ignorant here.  I mean it totally sucks that we're even talking about moving in the wrong direction on this issue as a country, but I guess I'm asking if there are states that have the power to remain more pro-trans in the upcoming years or can they just wipe that out at the federal level, or is it more complex / a mix of both?

Who are they gonna blame now that they have full control of everything and will no doubt fuck everything up? When things no doubt end up way worse for everyone, how can they spin this when there’s a Republican led everything? It won’t go well for them and it won’t last long. 

  On 11/11/2024 at 1:30 PM, Hi Guys said:

Who are they gonna blame now that they have full control of everything and will no doubt fuck everything up? When things no doubt end up way worse for everyone, how can they spin this when there’s a Republican led everything? It won’t go well for them and it won’t last long. 

My bet is on milking the working class as hard as possible in 4 years and then blaming it on the left before a new campaign starts. We didn't do this, it was Biden's economy we tried to fix, it will take time to balance out after getting rid of all the illegal aliens who are destroying the country ecetera

  On 11/11/2024 at 1:38 PM, chronical said:

My bet is on milking the working class as hard as possible in 4 years and then blaming it on the left before a new campaign starts. We didn't do this, it was Biden's economy we tried to fix, it will take time to balance out after getting rid of all the illegal aliens who are destroying the country ecetera

Yes this is typical politics in a nutshell when things go south no matter what country: 

"Oh we are so sorry that the last administration have been fucking it all up so badly, We will still have a long way to go to repair this so vote for us again next time so we'll be sure to fix it in time" 

People: Yeey they are really the best!! 

  On 11/11/2024 at 1:43 PM, cern said:

Yes this is typical politics in a nutshell when things go south no matter what country: 

"Oh we are so sorry that the last administration have been fucking it all up so badly, We will still have a long way to go to repair this so vote for us again next time so we'll be sure to fix it in time" 

People: Yeey they are really the best!! 

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yeap.. Good old blame game. Instead of actually starting to solve things. Just keep people's heads in the news cycle and tomorrow there'll be something else to throw an Instagram tantrum about. Good god I hate this timeline

  On 11/11/2024 at 12:52 PM, EdamAnchorman said:

what is the dynamic of federal vs. state laws regarding what you're talking about?  Would the federal initiatives that you're talking about supersede state laws that might be more pro-trans? 

There will be some things that the state governments can do, but we're going to get into some questionable territory.

Like, if you look at medicaid and abortion, the hyde amendment makes it so that federal funds cannot go to abortion unless it's in cases of rape, incest, or the life of the mother. Some states say "fuck abortion" and don't cover anything, some states go up to the limit of the hyde amendment. And some states use their own funds to cover abortion care.

Sounds like the blue states will be safe, right? Well, that assumes that the dems hold together on the idea that trans identities are worth respecting. And they are not.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/11/07/seth-moulton-says-he-doesnt-want-his-girls-getting-run-over-on-the-playing-field-by-a-male-or-formerly-male-athlete-ny-times/

This guy could have said he has concerns about trans women in sports, but instead he has adopted the transphobic framing that misgenders trans people, just because we committed the crime of playing a sport that we were told we were allowed to play, so long as we met certain criteria.

The assumption that these states would *stay* pro-trans is a faulty one. I am already seeing a new kind of dirty look from a specific demographic of liberal women, who appear to hold some resentment that trans people cost them the election.

These people are going to hear the media class and dnc representatives make the arguments that they are already making, that support of trans people is "outside the mainstream", "on the wrong side of an issue that the American public is 80/20 on". Support is going to go down, significantly. It will be a fight to make sure these states stay safe. Some of these fights will be lost.

And also, while there's some uncertainty in what I wrote, some of these things are *definitely* happening. Like, they campaigned on trans hate so thoroughly, things like the affordable care act interpretation and education department stuff are all accomplished by executive branch action alone. There may be some hope about what happens on the legislative side, but it seems pretty fucking stupid to hope that things will work out fine when the party ends up in control of the house, senate, and presidency. They think this is a big part of why they won. This is the stuff that gets the biggest cheers at Trump's rally. They are going to deliver on this stuff.

  On 11/11/2024 at 12:51 PM, usagi said:

there is a basic point here but it's worded so cringily I just want to point and laugh. "master the world" is some white man bullshit.

I'm certainly hoping that it's an ironic joke

  On 11/10/2024 at 6:58 PM, Satans Little Helper said:

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  On 11/10/2024 at 7:23 PM, cern said:

He is very unstable and wild but I just wonder how everything will change for YOU personally the next 4 years. 

directly, not a whole lot. this doesn't really have a ton of impact on me personally on a day-to-day level. I already live in a red state, in a majority red county, work with people who all voted for him, travel to other red states for work, where most people I interact with are no doubt people who voted for him. see trump signs and flags everywhere. even if he lost, none of this would have changed. I'd still be living in trump loving red America...and it's honestly not as bad as any of the media makes it out to be. where I live is a mix of white/black/hispanic, and everyone gets along. I don't see any politically motivated arguments or fights out in public. I stay away from any of the rallies on either side and everything's fine.

in regard to policies, he's so full of shit it's hard to know if any of the stuff he rambled off on the campaign trail will actually happen. the executive orders he will sign on day 1 only go so far. the more impactful legislative changes that can actually affect people's lives with far more consequence are dependent on congress - which is the scarier part of this election. if the R's win the House then legislatively there's a chance for MAGA project 2025 type plans to actually happen...but this is TBD, so can't say how any policy changes will realistically impact me.

IMO the direct effects of T winning are minor compared to the indirect effects. the fact that we have to hear or read about all the stupid stuff he says or does every single day from the media is the worst. like I don't want to think about this guy at all, but am forced to as soon as I go on the internet. the negative psychological effects of having a narcisstic man child as leader of the country is not good for the collective mental health of the country. this to me is the biggest problem. trump just keeps on fueling the flames of insanity all for his personal pleasure - not good behavior any of us should want to emulate.

a leader is supposed to be someone who leads by example, does stuff like promotes peace and stability, cares genuinely about the group he/she leads. trump is not this guy and keeps pushing that ideal leadership model further down the drain, making it harder to come back from. he's normalizing troll behavior, that it's ok to act like a spoiled tantrum throwing asshole. this has ripple effects all the way down to kids, who are taught early on to look up to the president as a model citizen type of person. these potential sociological changes that are by-products of his horrible behavior often times go unstated but are not to be underestimated. we're all conditioned social animals, and the conditioning he's pushing out is some negative shit - let's create more tantrums to get what we want rather than come to a win-win solution.

  On 11/11/2024 at 10:44 AM, decibal cooper said:

There have been some positives to news coming out of Trump headquarters, though, and this has been something that has given me some hope recently:

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he picked Elise Stefanik as UN ambassador

  On 11/11/2024 at 9:32 PM, luke viia said:

he picked Elise Stefanik as UN ambassador

yeah i saw that today, horrible insufferable woman, has potential to be worse than haley especially on mideast policy

also, actual nazi stephen miller (america should be for americans only), also a guy who said not to worry, families won't be separated.. they will be deported together... people aren't paying attention of course and probably won't freak out enough about all this... 

worth remembering that all those undocumented immigrants pay about $100billion a year into medicare/social security and don't use any of those benefits. almost half of agricultural workers are undocumented. probably about the same for construction. i suspect they'll try to deport documented people as well.. people here legally.. greencards, visas etc.. 

"of course the richest guy in the world and the president are going to make your life as a cashier infinitely better, sandy."

  On 11/12/2024 at 4:30 AM, ignatius said:

also, actual nazi stephen miller (america should be for americans only), also a guy who said not to worry, families won't be separated.. they will be deported together... people aren't paying attention of course and probably won't freak out enough about all this... 

it's all fearmongering tho. any sort of mass deportation talk on the scale that gets talked about by team maga won't ever happen. once reality kicks in - how much an operation like this will cost, all the industries it will affect, using the military, how it will impact prices on goods, etc. - then they will back down and point the finger at so and so for not allowing them to go through with it. it'll be the military's fault, or ICE, or homeland security, or whoever finally gets through to these idiots that this really isn't a viable option. it is classic over-the-top, spectacle BS that donald is known for time and time again. 

also here's an oldish long article on how we got to this point:

The disastrous, forgotten 1996 law that created today's immigration problem

 https://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/11515132/iirira-clinton-immigration

  On 11/12/2024 at 8:55 PM, zero said:

it's all fearmongering tho. any sort of mass deportation talk on the scale that gets talked about by team maga won't ever happen. once reality kicks in - how much an operation like this will cost, all the industries it will affect, using the military, how it will impact prices on goods, etc. - then they will back down and point the finger at so and so for not allowing them to go through with it. it'll be the military's fault, or ICE, or homeland security, or whoever finally gets through to these idiots that this really isn't a viable option. it is classic over-the-top, spectacle BS that donald is known for time and time again. 

also here's an oldish long article on how we got to this point:

The disastrous, forgotten 1996 law that created today's immigration problem

 https://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/11515132/iirira-clinton-immigration

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i think for some it's fear mongering but others it's something they're quite serious about so it's going to be a battle to see how seriously the administration takes it. if they pick a state and focus on that state as a test or will they go full "Brazil" style bureaucracy and send out notices then collect those people regardless if they are here legally.. and then deport them or confine them in some way. will they make camps? put the people in camps? cart them to the fields then back home again? that's not so far from now in some places.. the existence of migrant workers is quite rough and oppressive in places where all is controlled by farm or factory etc. 

so, while i think yeah.. it'll be a tough climb for them to pull it off i'm not going to be naive about it since i think they will try and people will sit by and let it happen. the only thing that will stop it is the industries who use that labor being disrupted.. but it's gonna be the wild west for a while. 

  On 11/12/2024 at 9:28 PM, ignatius said:

if they pick a state and focus on that state as a test

lol I think you mean Texas

  On 11/12/2024 at 9:28 PM, ignatius said:

will they make camps? put the people in camps? cart them to the fields then back home again?

this is exactly what they want everyone to think. concentration camps are coming! remember, trump imagining he's a dictator doesn't mean he actually is one. so many hurdles any of this stuff has to go through. he can't just bark insane orders and everyone will follow. an endeavor like building camps will take a ton of resources and $, and not everyone is gonna be on board with this...but hey, whatever backassward dr. evil style plans that get rolled out will no doubt be here in TX. 

  On 11/12/2024 at 9:28 PM, ignatius said:

the only thing that will stop it is the industries who use that labor being disrupted.. 

and that may be who donald listens to. he probably won't listen to any govt. officials trying to talk sense into him. but he will listen to his other rich boy club captains of industry who will be whining to him eventually that if you do this, our companies are going to lose millions. so many private industry groups will come against him on this, I'd guess this is what could actually derail this idea. 

  On 11/12/2024 at 10:45 PM, zero said:

this is exactly what they want everyone to think. concentration camps are coming! remember, trump imagining he's a dictator doesn't mean he actually is one. so many hurdles any of this stuff has to go through. he can't just bark insane orders and everyone will follow. an endeavor like building camps will take a ton of resources and $, and not everyone is gonna be on board with this...but hey, whatever backassward dr. evil style plans that get rolled out will no doubt be here in TX. 

a bunch of japanese people in the 1940s would beg to differ.  i'm not saying it would be easy or happen quickly but they may not actually have to build anything. there's already detention centers and all kinds of random buildings they could convert for different purposes. just saying.. the possibility for some weird shit to happen that we don't expect.. that's truly horrible.. is certainly there. .that possibility is there. 

remember.. there's already millions of deportations every year. they just put people on flights and drop them off in el salvador or wherever.. all they have to do is get the army hercules planes and load them up all day every day. maybe they can't do 20 million in a year but maybe they can double what they already do.. so instead of 2 million.. it's 4 million.. or whatever.. 

to think they won't try or they don't want to do it is not taking how horrible they are seriously.. and i think they're pretty horrible. 

do i think it'll be nazi germany in 6 months? no.. i don't

i hope they get the price of bacon down before the camps start - i'm trying to eat breakfast over here and this shit expensive now!

  On 11/13/2024 at 12:52 AM, decibal cooper said:

i hope they get the price of bacon down before the camps start - i'm trying to eat breakfast over here and this shit expensive now!

better stock up on bacon now as in a year there will be no USDA and all the future bacon will likely have some kind of ecoli making everyone sick. 

  On 11/13/2024 at 12:42 PM, EdamAnchorman said:

 

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