2024 US Election

  On 11/7/2024 at 7:47 PM, auxien said:

if that 0.001% is outsized in their voice, then yeah it's probably important af to talk about and recognize. idk that they are tho?

I'm saying that they are, and that it's a lot more than 0.001%. I think you're defining the term too narrowly.

  On 11/8/2024 at 4:13 AM, chenGOD said:

Regulation ain't gonna happen under this admin. You're going to have headlights with the full power of the sun coming toward you at night.

I figured so much. I would honestly be a single issue voter on this issue. I wear sunglasses at night as it is because I get mini migraines from bright headlights. I thought as I would get older night vision would become a problem but NO. Yeah yeah… Gaza… climate change… whatever. I’m fed up. 

  On 11/7/2024 at 6:56 PM, J3FF3R00 said:

I just want somebody to regulate how bright car headlights are these days. 

I swear everyone has their high beams on at night!  

  On 11/7/2024 at 7:47 PM, auxien said:

those types of 'lib' are vanishingly small, i imagine, but i'm just a white dude so maybe i don't have radar to catch that idk. how many is important i think....what's the point of talking about 0.001% of the population within an already niche group? i mean, go ahead, it's just a bit...idk, silly i guess. if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck....

but hey, let's keep pretending this isn't a problem amongst liberals.

  On 11/8/2024 at 4:56 AM, ignatius said:

DW News is on PBS in the afternoons. also on youtube. there's a bunch on youtube. french, german, al jazeera... all in english language. 

as for data,.. yeah.. people collected and protected it. i don't recall details though. but sounds like project 2025 wants to get rid of weather collecting organizations that collect climate data etc.. all kinds of things.. we'll see. 

Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. Conservative governments hate data.

our last con pm (Stephen Harper may he rot in a fucking swamp) got rid of the long form census, defunded science initiatives and made it very hostile for scientists to speak about the impact of the oil industry on climate.

Taking it to extremes, govts like NK and China get rid of data altogether and report in percentages that have no baseline. Impossible to make informed policy decisions when there’s no real data. 

  On 11/7/2024 at 3:49 PM, usagi said:

oh but there does exist such a type of lib, I assure you. the minorities of any given society develop a radar for them. when they do act correct it's either in their interest to do so or it costs them nothing. disputes about how many there are are neither here nor there, as is arguing about whether they exist in essence or whether people simply "act" like shitlibs. what matters is what happens, the result of this type of thinking. you need only look at how utterly inadequate things are on multiple fronts - socially, economically, internationally - to get that.

  On 11/7/2024 at 7:47 PM, auxien said:

those types of 'lib' are vanishingly small, i imagine, but i'm just a white dude so maybe i don't have radar to catch that idk. how many is important i think....what's the point of talking about 0.001% of the population within an already niche group? i mean, go ahead, it's just a bit...idk, silly i guess. if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck....

I don't know if I'm following your conversation properly but this bit suprised me. If we're talking about "people that pretend to be nice but only while its in their interest and costs them nothing, but then turn out to be arseholes when conditions change" I'm sure we're talking about a much bigger number than "vanishingly small"

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:36 AM, zazen said:

 

I don't know if I'm following your conversation properly but this bit suprised me. If we're talking about "people that pretend to be nice but only while its in their interest and costs them nothing, but then turn out to be arseholes when conditions change" I'm sure we're talking about a much bigger number than "vanishingly small"

 

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that is what I'm saying, but applied specifically to people who call themselves liberal. fairweather libs, the type to virtue signal and then roadblock meaningful change. it's not 0.001% or whatever, in fact you could make the (admittedly pessimistic) case that it's over 50%. it's hard to escape that conclusion when basic things like stagnating wages haven't improved under Dem rule.

in the example of that reddit post which you commented on as being from a niche subreddit that encourages cunty behaviour, I point out that it has a huge amount of upvotes, enough to land on the frontpage. so it's not isolated. reddit/online is rife with shitlibs, but it's a microcosm of a bigger problem, and I think it's necessary to point out that hypocrisy because that is what constantly shoots progressive causes in the foot.

  On 11/8/2024 at 9:21 AM, usagi said:

but hey, let's keep pretending this isn't a problem amongst liberals.

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i'm not pretending it isn't a problem...i'm just saying it's something i've seen very small amounts of. that may be my very, very small interaction with corners of the internet/world where those assholes exist.

my first question with anything like that (same for 'obv right leaning folk' who are posting a lot on socials and being shitty/aggressive/controversial/whatever) is are they a real person and not a bot? guessing at the content from this dude i can see, he seems like a legit actual facts human being, but Twitter limits interactions unless you're signed in which i don't have an acct there anymore so...i'm only seeing so much. i don't mention this because i'm trying for an 'out' on this discussion, just that legitimately there's a lot of these 'controversial takes from random persons seemingly turning against what you'd expect' that are actually just bots/fake accts. this was RAMPANT about 5 years ago when the bot farms were getting good at drumming up interaction.

at least that was very often the case a few years ago....i'm really not ever using Facebook or Twitter or Tiktok or any of that shit so maybe real shitheads from all divisions of the political spectrum are more common? idk. 

maybe it's more common than i realized and shitlibs is a full on class of people at this point? i'm kind of glad my social media limits have kept this out of my eyes if so, tho i don't like being ignorant of those types of trends either...

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:36 AM, zazen said:

 

I don't know if I'm following your conversation properly but this bit suprised me. If we're talking about "people that pretend to be nice but only while its in their interest and costs them nothing, but then turn out to be arseholes when conditions change" I'm sure we're talking about a much bigger number than "vanishingly small"

 

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that was kinda my point....people of all flavors do this, but usagi was making a point of it on the left being a 'thing' in and of itself. i was chalking it up to just being a particular percentage of the general population as a whole, but he's arguing that it's quite rampant on the left.

i think he's kinda off with the assessment but i'm also not as versed on this sorta shitty social media behavior as he may be so i might just be out of the loop, basically. idk.

just to add further complication, "liberal" doesn't always mean "left" or vice versa (e.g. in the case of neoliberalism). I'm not talking about the left as a monolith.

https://fortune.com/2024/11/07/president-donald-trump-election-immigration-border-detention-ice-geo-group-corecivic/

Here’s an analysis of the US presidential election that you haven’t seen in the media yet.

Result 2024:

• Kamala Harris: 69,109,836 votes (47.7%)

• Donald J. Trump: 73,450,164 votes (50.7%)

Result 2020:

• Joe Biden: 81,284,666 votes (51.3%)

• Donald J. Trump: 74,224,319 votes (46.9%)

Donald has practically received the exact same number of votes. The Democrats, on the other hand, have lost over 10 million votes. They simply didn’t turn out to vote. And just as the Democrats are currently celebrating their “great” campaign, they probably won’t turn out to vote next time either.

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:22 AM, chenGOD said:

Conservative governments hate data.

trump hates data too. i don't think he understands it. but also during covid, famously said "If they stopped testing the numbers would go down".  he thought everything reflected poorly upon him. lower numbers made him look better.. in his mind. 

but yeah.. climate data is going to be the big one i think. project 2025 wants to get rid of the NOAA

https://www.noaa.gov

so, yeah.. gonna be full on blind to many things at some point if they're successful.  but maybe mar a lago will get hit w/a hurricane. fingers crossed he goes and plays lot's of golf. 

  On 11/8/2024 at 4:41 PM, ignatius said:

trump hates data too. i don't think he understands it. but also during covid, famously said "If they stopped testing the numbers would go down".  he thought everything reflected poorly upon him. lower numbers made him look better.. in his mind. 

but yeah.. climate data is going to be the big one i think. project 2025 wants to get rid of the NOAA

https://www.noaa.gov

so, yeah.. gonna be full on blind to many things at some point if they're successful.  but maybe mar a lago will get hit w/a hurricane. fingers crossed he goes and plays lot's of golf. 

 

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As he mentally declines further, he will become a figurehead President, “just sign this, Sir. Don’t worry about reading it, your Diet Coke and Russian hookers will be here soon. Just take a nap and dream of golf.”

foreign policy overview about russia, iran , israel, oil, trump/biden and things already happening. i guess i missed that trump let slip USA troops are in Syria protecting oil going to israel. oof. overall this is pretty negative towards outcomes of a deepening war in the middle east.. some chatting about christian nationalism etc. it isn't a "bash trump for 50 minutes" video. 

it's chris hedges and he has a view on things and tends to roll w/it and have guests on who align w/his thinking in some ways.. but this guy he has on has his own thoughts and lot's of experience. 

  On 11/8/2024 at 5:37 PM, ignatius said:

foreign policy overview about russia, iran , israel, oil, trump/biden and things already happening. i guess i missed that trump let slip USA troops are in Syria protecting oil going to israel. oof. overall this is pretty negative towards outcomes of a deepening war in the middle east.. some chatting about christian nationalism etc. it isn't a "bash trump for 50 minutes" video. 

it's chris hedges and he has a view on things and tends to roll w/it and have guests on who align w/his thinking in some ways.. but this guy he has on has his own thoughts and lot's of experience. 

 

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Hedges is talking to Lawrence Wilkerson, a true last of the Mohicans American when it comes to understanding the value of public service and the real consequences of using military force when other approaches would lead to better results. Have not seen this video but I have watched him a lot over past eight years. He is a regular on Judge Napalitano’s YouTube channel and on the YouTube channel Dialogue Works. Most highly recommended American voice when it comes to US foreign policy imo.

  On 11/8/2024 at 4:38 AM, ignatius said:

also, depending on trump's tariff plan all kinds of chaos could happen. they're kind of betting on it really. but tariffs don't work the way a lot of people think they do. maybe end result is people buy less crap they don't need???

here's an example of what a company will do to avoid the T tariffs:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/07/steve-madden-to-slash-china-sourcing-as-trumps-tariff-plan-looms.html

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On an earnings call, CEO Edward Rosenfeld said the shoe brand has been “planning for a potential scenario in which we would have to move goods out of China more quickly.” Over the past few years, he said, it’s looked for factories in other countries, including Cambodia, Vietnam, Mexico and Brazil.

this is what is so dumb about donald shouting 100% tariffs on China. he says that stuff to get his supporters thinking this will mean more jobs will then come back to the USA and they'll benefit, when in actuality the capitalist machine will find a way to go somewhere other than the countries donald wants to "hit hard" with tariffs, so they can keep selling their products at the same price as today. otherwise they will increase the cost of their goods to pay the tariffs, making the consumers pay more for the item...I guess all that it too explanatory, far too much reality speak, when all he has to do is say "USA GOOD, CHINA BAD" to get the votes!

After much scientific research the greatest mind of our time (me) has no choice but to conclude that a vast majority Americans are faaaking idjuts

  On 11/8/2024 at 10:04 PM, prdctvsm said:

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As the classic title goes Douche Vs Turd Sandwich 

Curious on your guys' thoughts.

I've seen numerous articles since Tuesday that blame Harris or Biden for the democrats losing this time, but do you really think it was a fault of anything they did or didn't do? And if so, what? Heinz-sight-20/20 and all that, of course.

  On 11/9/2024 at 3:01 AM, Cyteen said:

Curious on your guys' thoughts.

I've seen numerous articles since Tuesday that blame Harris or Biden for the democrats losing this time, but do you really think it was a fault of anything they did or didn't do? And if so, what? Heinz-sight-20/20 and all that, of course.

there's plenty of takes on this kind of thing on line and youtube from people who do this for a living. lot's of variety. 

the quick take away is lack of voter enthusiasm for Harris. it's somewhere in this thread but something like 10.5+ million voters didn't show up to vote. that's huge and is the race right there. 

what hurt?  media narratives about everything on conservative media won out. inflation, "we're not winning", tariffs, who knows? idk what people buy into with trump other than emotional bullshit. 

i watched a football game on fox a couple weeks ago and fox was non stop running anti trans ads linked to harris "she's for they them... Trump's for you!" and shit like that. 

israel doing genocide with full rhetorical and material support from the biden administration as well as western media didn't help of course.. then the DNC and democrats sent bill clinton to chastise college students for protesting. i forget the speech but it was right in the heart of it all and he gave them the business for not towing the line of the Biden genocide machine. 

i don't watch foxnews so can't speak to what all the trumpers believe but it's the same thing as last time. he got fewer votes than last time so all the left had to do was show up. 

don't forget.. we're in a post truth world when it comes to mass media and culture. 

this was posted in this thread somewhere earlier... seems to add up. but i still think the short answer is "we didn't like her"

edit: and i'll add. the DNC fucking sucks. they do everything they can to box out progressives. they even sided with and funded an anti-choice candidate for the house in texas because the competition was a progressive. they helped gerrymander that district as well.  they've been doing it for years not just to bernie sanders but whoever.. they primary progressives whenever they think they can..

instead of letting the party be moved leftward to be more progressive they stick to their core of wallstreet money, banks, pharmaceutical, insurance companies etc... someone said it earlier somewhere.. there's a lot of money on wallstreet but not too many votes.

they abandoned the working class 30 years ago and have done nothing to try and fix that until like 10 minutes ago.

they also have fundamentally not known how to fight the republicans.. they are just not in the fight in a real way. it's bullshit. they've been losing since the 90s and the only gains came from grassroots organizing. we got medical weed because people hammered away at all sides for 30 years.. chipping away at it..  republicans have chipped away at everything they want to take away using the same methods but they're more shrewd, bare knuckles, take no prisoners and often more united... democrats have done what's convenient.. clinton signed away so much to the republican congress just so he could stay in power. in the end.. well.. we know how it went. whatever.

it's disgusting. disappointing. a bummer. full of  missed opportunities and half measures.  

  On 11/9/2024 at 3:01 AM, Cyteen said:

Curious on your guys' thoughts.

I've seen numerous articles since Tuesday that blame Harris or Biden for the democrats losing this time, but do you really think it was a fault of anything they did or didn't do? And if so, what? Heinz-sight-20/20 and all that, of course.

We were willing to vote for a potato in 2020. This time around, enough people (like 13 million or so) just said “fuck it”.