Flying Lotus - Until The Quiet Comes

  On 3/10/2013 at 10:05 PM, Tauhid said:

 

  On 10/20/2012 at 10:53 PM, Kanakori said:

Jeez It's like people around here get mad for new music being released.

 

You make it sound like all new music being released is outstanding. Not everything deserves praise. People should be critical of music.

exactly, criticism helps people grow, its authentic, and i'd rather someone be critical than be silent about it.

The 'you're a hater' mentality has infected local music scenes too, where everyone just pats everyone else on the back and kisses ass to get gigs and still be in the inner circle. Huge difference from the rivalries and openly harsh criticism artists used to get pre-internet.

fucking shame actually, suppressing criticism is one of the worst things about modern social networking.

  On 3/12/2013 at 5:13 AM, Awepittance said:

 

  On 3/10/2013 at 10:05 PM, Tauhid said:

 

  On 10/20/2012 at 10:53 PM, Kanakori said:

Jeez It's like people around here get mad for new music being released.

 

You make it sound like all new music being released is outstanding. Not everything deserves praise. People should be critical of music.

 

exactly, criticism helps people grow, its authentic, and i'd rather someone be critical than be silent about it.

The 'you're a hater' mentality has infected local music scenes too, where everyone just pats everyone else on the back and kisses ass to get gigs and still be in the inner circle. Huge difference from the rivalries and openly harsh criticism artists used to get pre-internet.

fucking shame actually, suppressing criticism is one of the worst things about modern social networking.

This, thank you for saying this. I've been feeling that way in my gut for a long time but never articulated it even to myself. So damn true. More was at stake, artists and bands were distinct entities with character. Everything's slipped.

thanks for understanding. IT's been a while since i've read an interview with any artist where they said anything critical of another artist or just were outspoken about something controversial Shit's gotten really bland as of late and it's a depressing thought on my mind all the time. Not to dick up the thread anymore, but did anybody read Flylo's Wire interview? Just straight boring, nothing interesting even remotely. Talk about the antithesis to 'entities with character'. Dude makes good music, but has nothing to say in a cover story about him.

  On 3/12/2013 at 5:13 AM, Awepittance said:

 

  On 3/10/2013 at 10:05 PM, Tauhid said:

 

  On 10/20/2012 at 10:53 PM, Kanakori said:

Jeez It's like people around here get mad for new music being released.

 

You make it sound like all new music being released is outstanding. Not everything deserves praise. People should be critical of music.

 

exactly, criticism helps people grow, its authentic, and i'd rather someone be critical than be silent about it.

The 'you're a hater' mentality has infected local music scenes too, where everyone just pats everyone else on the back and kisses ass to get gigs and still be in the inner circle. Huge difference from the rivalries and openly harsh criticism artists used to get pre-internet.

fucking shame actually, suppressing criticism is one of the worst things about modern social networking.

Great point. So true.

But at the same time alot of people are permanently stuck in hyper-critical mode where they can't enjoy things in the very basic playful zen way that a 6-year old would enjoy them. All music is inherently amazing. But some people just can't relax and enjoy whatever's happening. It's a bit like Louis CK's "everything is amazing and everyone is miserable" rant. You get people who put on the new My Bloody Valentine or "Until the Quiet Comes" or whatever and they're so tense with pre-conceptions and expectations that they can't just relax and bask in the music: from beat one they are already deconstructing it and comparing it to the artist's last album or some other recent albums or whatever.

BTW I think "Until the Quiet Comes" is a beautiful collection of psychedelic little nick-knacks and it tickles me in the same basic child-like way that all his stuff does.

  On 3/10/2013 at 10:37 PM, StephenG said:

Has anyone entertained the idea that his albums are made for the express purpose of listening to while fucked up?

 

Because it certainly does work when you're blasted on some type of PEA. I seem to recall him saying in one of his most recent interviews he does a lot of hallucinogens when making and listening to these?

 

Be critical all you want, but consider that maybe you aren't listening to them in the frame of reference/frame of mind the artist intended.

Just speaking from personal experience, I've never decided while on drugs to put on an album I disliked beforehand. In fact I find the idea of doing this pretty absurd and humorous.

  On 3/12/2013 at 5:33 AM, Awepittance said:

thanks for understanding. IT's been a while since i've read an interview with any artist where they said anything critical of another artist or just were outspoken about something controversial Shit's gotten really bland as of late and it's a depressing thought on my mind all the time.

Ding ding ding. I'm glad I'm not alone regarding all this, haha. The whole "let's play nice" mindset has been on my mind a lot lately. No one has the balls to really critique anyone else's material. And it has nothing to do with ego. I'd even go as far as to say that certain artists aren't taking their own work seriously enough.

most of the anger or 'contreversy' i see in interviews with artists these days is petty rivalries or borderline juvenile venom spewed out, good examples are read the latest Zomby or Burial interviews. The dudes sound like child stars with a chip on their shoulder who seem to give so little of a fuck about their art that it makes me feel stuff like, well why i should i take you seriously then? I mean the music is alright but sometimes i like a little substance behind my enjoyment of things. And then their's the other side of it where interviewers are fearful of asking any pointed questions or the people being interviewed have nothing even remotely more than surface level to say about art, the state of the world, making music or how they truly feel inside. Sounds silly maybe what i'm saying, but it's something id like to see shift.

Wise Gandalf once almost said

"the courtesy of this hall has not lessened enough of late"

and he makes a good point

take the newest Dalglish interview for example, in Secret 13. He actually comes off as a real person who has opinions and not like a faceless bro who likes to make sick beats. To me this is the essence of what's missing from art these days, not holding back and trying to challenge people's perceptions even if people get offended in the process.

What interview gave you the impression that Burial doesnt give a fuck about his Art? I thought he always came across proper serious about it... and come to think of it has he even done any recent interviews? I didnt think he had done 1 for years

  On 3/12/2013 at 5:56 AM, Tauhid said:

 

  On 3/12/2013 at 5:33 AM, Awepittance said:

thanks for understanding. IT's been a while since i've read an interview with any artist where they said anything critical of another artist or just were outspoken about something controversial Shit's gotten really bland as of late and it's a depressing thought on my mind all the time.

 

Ding ding ding. I'm glad I'm not alone regarding all this, haha. The whole "let's play nice" mindset has been on my mind a lot lately. No one has the balls to really critique anyone else's material. And it has nothing to do with ego. I'd even go as far as to say that certain artists aren't taking their own work seriously enough.

I've been watching this Chris Ott's videos a lot lately (he's the one who completely slammed the pitchfork 10 rating for the Disintegration Loops, the "review" of which was written by his friend) and he's had a lot of well-articulated rants and criticisms of the current state of music journalism.

A lot of people seem to lump criticism with things like jealously, resentment, cynicism, pretentiousness, etc. Now while that is often the case of say, poorly written reviews and internet comments it's resulted in this highly democratic "majority rules" nature of demonizing any critics and detractors of just about anything. The danger in this is that there is standards lower, progress isn't as highly regarded, and the idea of "canon" of what is objectively notable and important music simply disintegrates.

I'm one to not criticize or slam things I don't like BUT I also cultivate my tastes and seek out new music and sounds while also pinpointing what I like personally. I don't think many listeners and even fucking "professional" music journalists do that anymore. They'll give mediocre reviews to almost everything, hate on whatever is safe to hate on, and likewise give excellent reviews only to something already highly regarded or hyped by peers. I highly doubt many can recommend an truly overlooked release that they enjoy, or praise an older release that all others dismissed. There's literally no sense of critical appreciation among many. It's all circle jerk praise or stupid meta-commentary on shit that know one should care about anyway (i.e. the entire existence or Lana Del Ray's career, hipster interest in Justin Timberlake) Hell, I can't even think of a really critical pitchfork review I've read recently (some juvenile and pointless scoffing of the Mumford and Sons album doesn't count) and that's really fucking saying something. I actually have been happy to see a lot of people rip on Azealia Banks in pfork's FB comments too.

  On 3/12/2013 at 5:33 AM, Awepittance said:

thanks for understanding. IT's been a while since i've read an interview with any artist where they said anything critical of another artist or just were outspoken about something controversial Shit's gotten really bland as of late and it's a depressing thought on my mind all the time. Not to dick up the thread anymore, but did anybody read Flylo's Wire interview? Just straight boring, nothing interesting even remotely. Talk about the antithesis to 'entities with character'. Dude makes good music, but has nothing to say in a cover story about him.

Could we make a separate thread of this topic? Because this is some serious shit. I've been working as a journalist for the last 10 years (fortunately I never had live from it, so it's a more a passion than a job which gives me quite some freedom of expression). And even though I am really interested in music journalism, background stories and the whole popcultural flipside of it, I can't bother myself to read any magazines. It's much ado about nothing. Generally, you will also find an advertisement for the artist somewhere in the magazine.

I also totally agree that quite often criticism is seen as an insult. I can remember when I wrote a critical review on a Christian Kleine EP back in 2004 or 2005, that the label owner phoned our editor-in-chief and was furious about my review. How could I dare to write a negative review on this EP? He even accused me of plagiarism of a similarly negative review published in the Spex Magazine. Our editor-in-chief himself was amused about this call of the label owner and simply answered him that I don't read the Spex magazine. In the end it made us proud and confirmed us that we were on the right path. Because obviously criticism wasn't expected.

what should the new thread be calling? I vote for 'the chilling effect caused by wanting to be bros with everybody in the music scene'

lol do it

Good topic. I'm not sure I'll have much to contribute (don't have the time to really get involved in these discussions) but I agree with much of what you guys are saying. We can't be all smiles all the time. "Not liking" does not equal hating. Constructive criticism can be constructive if accepted as such. Constant praise benefits no one and only feeds the ego. There's too much music as it is and good criticism can help us all weed through a bit better, and in the long run, along with more warranted good reviews and feedback, help other great artists to surface.

Instead of starting a new clean-slate topic, perhaps a mod can grab these posts and split them off into a new thread so we're not starting over.

With this being a site where many of the contributors make music themselves, there is probably a fair amount of the "I may not like it, but I completely respect the effort that was put into it because I know how difficult it must have been to make" mentality.

'Until the Quiet Comes' feels half-hearted to me. I once read a FlyLo interview where he talked about when he looks back on his musical output, he will see this world that he created with his music. I don't like the feeling of the world that he created with UTQC.

I read another interview he did just before UTQC came out where he said he was making alot of ambient music and something he might like to do is just make a whole ambient album. I wish he would just do that, as UTQC feels like a middleground between his version of ambient and Cosmogramma.

Well, it seems like he cares more about being Captain Murphy. UTQC was a mix of older stuff and other pretty good to decent to OK tracks and something to submit to brush off the pressure of following up Cosmogramma. It's not terrible or anything, but I got the impression he wasn't as invested in it. Now that it's over, he can be Captain Murphy. It's probably more fun.

  On 3/12/2013 at 1:47 PM, kirm said:

What interview gave you the impression that Burial doesnt give a fuck about his Art? I thought he always came across proper serious about it... and come to think of it has he even done any recent interviews? I didnt think he had done 1 for years

​yeah i dont think it was one from very recently, the last interview he did he just sounded like a petulant dude who was very arrogant about how simplistic and 'real' his craft was vs others in the dubstep scene

He can come across a bit pretentious but I think he defo seems to give a fuck about his art so that was more what I was taking issue with, anyway you claimed it was recent interview and now don’t think it was so your prob just making it up, find the interview link to show what you mean or shut the fuck up ;)

I do think the criticism discussion is interesting tho but I think people are missing an important point that this can work both ways, sure people circle jerk over shit and you feel like you cant say its shit without upsetting everyone but likewise there might be stuff everyone hates and the pressure to conform is just the same... For instance if some1 honestly loved the new Skrillex tune, they prob wouldn’t admit it around here!

Anyhow seeing as am in the Flyo thread talking about criticism.... I never bothered with this album as I think he is massively over rated, cosmogramma was alright but even that I got bored of quickly and his other stuff just don’t really do anything for me…. but i wouldn’t normally come into a thread to say that.. because well what’s the point?

also I think he unfairly gets way too much attention which sucks for him, as he then in turn comes under way too much scrutiny. Hard to imagine ceephax or clark or actress (better example) getting this much attention and this many interviews with bigger sites and publications, especially in america. I'm sure if we had lots of critique fodder for actress he would certainly come off as a petulant child at least once or so. The more we hear about an artist the less mystique there is. Not always the case but it can happen, maybe it's just happened to FL more than the rest.

who knows just a thought, I still think he isn't worth his salt and bristle every time I'm treated to "You like IDM stuff? Oh ok cool like Flylo"

from where is this track?

it's dope

It's a J Dilla cover.

BBNG does a great version as well.

about never gonna catch me back whenever the single was released last year:

I do like this new track. I love the dancing! It does sound very familiar. I get this weird feeling, maybe I'm being too intellectual here, but I feel a little like sometimes these flylo/thundercat tracks are basically statements of intent rather then the product? It's as if they are saying, "here look. these are our influences, we got jazz, soul, funk, rap, techno, and we're mixing it together in a fresh way to show how they are all related. Here's a preview of what it will sound like." A lot of the tracks sound like that. MMhmm is a very succesful tune though, that one really does live up to it's own aesthetic hubris. But the last album, and this track, are so short and compact that the ideas don't have room to grow, or maybe there just isn't that much too them...I do love those dancers though!

anyhow I didn't bother listening to the album until now, but like, lol and i was like, wow i like this a lot, then I realized it was playing 1983. anyways, so far as I hear, anyone who is familiar with jazz would know that a lot of this stuff is unambitious, college-jazz-group sounding wankery that doesn't add much to the canon overall, which is surprising because herbie hancock co-wrote the track 'Tesla'. I've gotten tired of Thundercat's playing at least in this vein, it was really fun to hear at first but he needs to come up with new ideas rather than modulating and jumping fifths and playing FASTE!.

I think mhhmm was an absolutely brilliant track that was as long as it should have been. But every flylo single since then has been like, one riff with a bunch of fluff happening for several minutes.

i'm listening and what isn't bad jazz is garbage novelty tracks. like that snoop dogg thing, unlistenable. ah well