A pair of explosions rocks the finish line at the Boston Marathon, injuring at least a half-dozen people.

  On 4/19/2013 at 3:20 PM, Iain C said:

 

 

Earlier on you seemed convinced that the totally innocent Indian-American guy was responsible... so perhaps you should rein it in a little until we know more.

 

pot>kettle. :-)

I don't think I'm harming anyone or anything by chasing rumors and making idle speculation. Well, except for my wattm-reputation. Which is neither here nor there.

dunno if legit (facebook page)...

http://vk.com/id160300242

it says he's currently online via mobile

on his vk page:

World view: Islam
Personal priority: Career and money

this world is insane, lol.

  On 4/19/2013 at 3:49 PM, eugene said:

on his vk page:

World view: Islam

Personal priority: Career and money

 

this world is insane, lol.

hardcore believer, wants to fuck a lot and get rich.

sounds normal to me.

btw i speak russian so i can translate stuff from his vk page, there are some crazy flamewars between russians and russian muslims (chechens ?) going on in comments section.

I admit the choice of icons on that social website made me lol:

  On 4/19/2013 at 3:53 PM, eugene said:

btw i speak russian so i can translate stuff from his vk page, there are some crazy flamewars between russians and russian muslims (chechens ?) going on in comments section.

can you see when the page was created? seems very new.

  On 4/19/2013 at 3:53 PM, eugene said:

btw i speak russian so i can translate stuff from his vk page, there are some crazy flamewars between russians and russian muslims (chechens ?) going on in comments section.

yeah google translate is sketchy but i was getting that impression. that page is getting ran over with comments

some great comments on there...so weird for people to be leaving comments for a guy who is currently on the run...

  On 4/19/2013 at 3:02 PM, mokz said:

How convenient for Russian government to have Chechen terrorists bomb US targets and get legitimization for Russian military operations in Chechnya. Not saying that Putin is behind this but it seems awfully convenient for him. Oh man, this is going to generate so many conspiracy theories.

I was wondering this myself. Or it's not. After all since the Chechen wars have ended and the region has been remarkably stable (just look at pictures of Grozy - it's completely rebuilt with skyscrapers and new parks). But this has all been at the expense of having a very corrupt and brutal government in place, with Ramzan_Kadyrov as the head. The human rights abuses are rampant even though the war has ended. He is Muslim and for independence but essentially focused on gaining power himself, so he is very much on good terms with Putin. Checyna's violence and turmoil has never quelled, just ebbed and flowed and at no point has the UN or a EU or US lead international response ever been formulated. It's literally been a CIS and Russian regional war in literal flyover countries on route for NATO on it's way to Afghanistan operations.

Maybe this was a brutal act of terror for nothing more than pure awareness of Chechnya and to put pressure on the Russian government and the current regime of the Chechen state?

  On 4/19/2013 at 3:20 PM, Iain C said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 2:59 PM, lumpenprol said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 2:51 PM, keltoi said:

 

Tsarnaev follows several pages devoted to Islam. He also lists one of his favorite songs as “Hey Sexy Lady” by Shaggy.

lol, Four Lions, truly.

 

I'll never understand radical Islam, what a bunch of hypocritical wankers

 

 

 

It's possible to be a Muslim and like Shaggy.

 

It's too early to say whether these attacks were religiously motivated, or whether these guys' interpretation of their religion could be called "radical". The Chechen conflict - if that is a motivating factor here - is about far more than just religion, and either way it's generally dangerous to speculate about the motives based simply on religious or ethnic affiliation.

 

Earlier on you seemed convinced that the totally innocent Indian-American guy was responsible... so perhaps you should rein it in a little until we know more.

 

Yes in fact the Chechen conflict is a an extremely complicated one in which both radical Islamist fighters, secular pro-independence fighters, and pro-Russian Chechens have all fought each other and Russia. Chechnya is just one of many insurgencies going on. An example of how much the violence and fighting changes tone and focus in often absurd manners is the fact that many Chechen fighters who fought against Russia in the mid-90s war switched sides and served in the Russian army, many of whom were deployed to Georgia during the 2008 South Ossetia war! Again, I stress that this has all been very little recognition from the Western media - only technocrats and policy experts regularly follow these wars.

not so much when he's currently online

@lumpy

  On 4/19/2013 at 3:49 PM, keltoi said:

dunno if legit (facebook page)...

 

http://vk.com/id160300242

 

it says he's currently online via mobile

id imagine they could pinpoint him pretty easily if that's the case no?

  On 4/19/2013 at 4:01 PM, jules said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 3:49 PM, keltoi said:

dunno if legit (facebook page)...

 

http://vk.com/id160300242

 

it says he's currently online via mobile

 

 

id imagine they could pinpoint him pretty easily if that's the case no?

 

probably. according to the guardian feed they're currently outside the brother's apartment...

FBI agents prepare to enter an apartment building reported to be the residence of the two men who bombed the Boston Marathon.

Also I must mention that there has been a very recent upswing in conservative Islam being mandated in Grozy and Chechnya overall, again endorsed by the government there. The country has been Muslim majority but as mentioned earlier, the radical Islamist in the region are mostly fighters, and until very recently it's been a secular society and the wars against Russia more nationalistic in tone. I have no idea if this is relevant, and again it goes hand in hand with grievances many have with the Chechen government over it's brutality and corruption.

  On 4/19/2013 at 3:57 PM, keltoi said:

  On 4/19/2013 at 3:53 PM, eugene said:

btw i speak russian so i can translate stuff from his vk page, there are some crazy flamewars between russians and russian muslims (chechens ?) going on in comments section.

can you see when the page was created? seems very new.

and the history of these conflicts goes back centuries. The Cossacks and Caucasus regions have always been rather autonomous...and the Soviets/Putin seriously fucked things up by allowing the ethnic conflict to build, forcing immigration and redistribution into previously fairly traditionalist/homogenized areas.

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In their long, violent struggle against the Kremlin, Chechen radicals have hit soft targets before. In 2010 two female suicide bombers from Dagestan blew up the Moscow metro, killing at least 40 people and injuring 100. A year later another suicide bomber struck Moscow’s Domodedovo airport; he killed 37 and wounded 180. There have been murderous attacks on a school in Beslan in 2004, where 334 hostages died, most of them children.

But the bombings of the Boston Marathon, allegedly perpetrated by two Chechen brothers, Dzokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, are something altogether new. It is so far unclear how significant is the trail that appears to lead from the mountains of the North Caucasus - the scene of a simmering ongoing insurgency - to the boulevards and suburban houses of north America.

After 18 years, two wars, and the loss of hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, the conflict in Chechnya and Russia’s southern backyard more generally has changed. From 1994-96 Boris Yeltsin fought a war against mainly secular Chechen separatists who wanted - like other ethnic republics after the collapse of the USSR - their own nationalist and constitutional state. In the period 1999-2004 Vladimir Putin - Yeltsin’s steely successor - fought a second Chechen war. The aim was to definitively crush Chechen separatism.

In recent years, however, the Kremlin and its regional proxies have been battling a different kind of enemy. This new generation of insurgents has an explicitly Islamist goal: to create a radical pan-Caucasian emirate ruled by Islamist law, a sort of Afghanistan under the Taliban. The movement’s leader, Doku Umarov, unveiled this ambitious vision in 2007. He vowed to liberate not only Russia’s Muslim North Caucausus but a large chunk of European Russia.

Umarov also suggested that devout Muslims should think internationally. His comments, later softened, said: “Today in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and Palestine our brothers are fighting. Everyone who attacks Muslims wherever they are are our enemies, common enemies. Our enemy is not Russia only, but everyone who wages war against Islam and Muslims.”

This call to global jihad may perhaps offer a possible motive for an attack inside the US. The new generation of twenty-something rebels is also exploiting a powerful new weapon: the internet. The main Chechen rebel website,kavkazcenter.com, posts reports from the jihadi movement worldwide: from Syria, where Chechen diaspora fighters are battling government forces in Aleppo, from Pakistan, and from Turkey.

Over in the North Caucausus, meanwhile, the Kremlin is carrying out a brutal and rolling counter-insurgency campaign. Its focus is Dagestan, the neighbouring state to Chechnya, and now a hotbed of violent jihadist rebellion. Three weeks ago Umarov appealed to Chechen fighters abroad to come home to take part in the fight.

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 4:05 PM, Smettingham Rutherford IV said:

and the history of these conflicts goes back centuries. The Cossacks and Caucasus regions have always been rather autonomous...and the Soviets/Putin seriously fucked things up by allowing the ethnic conflict to build, forcing immigration and redistribution into previously fairly traditionalist/homogenized areas.

It's very much a parallel to the Balkan wars in the 90s - literally multiple wars and conflicts erupting when Yugoslavia dissolved.

YOU fucking schmuck! A murrain on you, you beast! I HOPE THAT YOUR brother ALLAH YOUR fucking in the ass fuck, A Mohammed suck off! BASTARDS!!

Burn in hell, geek!

In general, it is a victory VKontacha over other bourgeois social networks such as Facebook to shit your - here was a terrorist page, the first time in history! Now everyone will have to register here in order not to fall out of trend.

I hope Putin has your entire family killed!

Glory Boston partisans!

Kubrat , Kubrat, nene, norms. already felt by a dick your tonsils

perhaps even refuse to listen to the sheep herder 10 times if he would lead them to suck, but 90% higher than the monkeys unsubscribe trusting the first media reports

  On 4/19/2013 at 4:08 PM, lumpenprol said:

already felt by a dick your tonsils

his 2 friends on vk are online atm

chechen joke...

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The school asked the riddle .. Goes
car. In it sit - Dagestani,
Chechen and Ingush.
question - who is driving?
Magician says: - The police.

hahahahaha

ok, who is this from watmm:

Harald , more than one Bells. But also it's a viable theory, that it's a joint kremlin-cia op ... Kremlin gets 'lulz', CIA gets gun control laws thru.

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MA State PD and Boston Police have requested via social media to not post search locations for the Boston bombing suspects - the Boston PD feed is temporarily offline due to this request.

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This morning, Connecticut State Police put out a bulletin to be on the lookout for a car that might be occupied by Dzhokar Tsarnaev, the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings. Meanwhile, conflicting reports have swat teams in Watertown surrounding a house they believe contains a suspect.

The statement from the state police:

A spokesperson told the Connecticut Post that police believe the vehicle may be headed to New York City.

Today, April 19, 2013, the Connecticut State Police received information from the Boston Investigation that a suspect vehicle could POSSIBLY be occupied by a wanted suspect.

The vehicle is described by BOSTON AREA AUTHORITIES; the SUSPECT MAY BE OPERATING A:

GRAY, HONDA, CRV

REGISTRATION: 316 ES9 Massachusetts

edit:

UPDATE: This vehicle has been recovered in Boston. All calls regarding this case should be directed to Boston investigators.