A pair of explosions rocks the finish line at the Boston Marathon, injuring at least a half-dozen people.

the onion are awesome, i had no idea they're covering this so tightly, thought they'll stay away from such "hot and sensitive" stuff. i imagine they're swarmed with calls for "sensitivity" and threats and such shit.

Edited April 19, 2013 by eugene

  On 4/19/2013 at 7:36 PM, vasio said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 5:19 PM, joshuatx said:

I know for a fact that every right-wing conservative radio host and TV pundit is frantically reading about the Islamic insurgencies in the Caucus regions so they can bullshit about it and how it's vaguely Obama's fault for the next week or two. They need to take a break from immigration and guns I'm sure. Their followers need something new to be ignorantly pissed about.

 

Yeah like the lot of you knew for a fact that it was a far-right white guy who did the attack. If it was a loser white guy same thing would happen, liberals would go on a rampage with their demented shit, feminists would have a field day with this. Personally I avoid such news articles, I don't need to watch what I don't like, only libs do this.

 

 

lol

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WATERTOWN, MA—According to the latest news breaking from the scene of the ongoing Boston bomber manhunt, sources asked if anyone can ever truly know anything and, when one actually stops and thinks about it, what is the truth, really? While authorities have continued updating the public on the progress of the manhunt and eyewitnesses have corroborated the stories, reporters have to wonder: How do any of us ever really discern what has “happened” from what has “not happened,” if indeed such terms are mutually exclusive, in the context of spacetime, or even truly knowable? Furthermore, one could potentially view everything we see and hear—or rather, everything we perceive—as being little more than a string of continuing falsities, one after another, throughout the entirety of our existence. Who can we trust? Is our only option to continue believing everything we experience, in a phenomenological sense, and ignore the true possibility that all that truly is, has been, and will be, is an illusion, a shadow cast upon the wall of eternity? Keep checking theonion.com for more updates on this story, which may in fact only be an elaborate construct of our own collective consciousness.

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 4:06 PM, keltoi said:

 

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In their long, violent struggle against the Kremlin, Chechen radicals have hit soft targets before. In 2010 two female suicide bombers from Dagestan blew up the Moscow metro, killing at least 40 people and injuring 100. A year later another suicide bomber struck Moscow’s Domodedovo airport; he killed 37 and wounded 180. There have been murderous attacks on a school in Beslan in 2004, where 334 hostages died, most of them children.

But the bombings of the Boston Marathon, allegedly perpetrated by two Chechen brothers, Dzokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, are something altogether new. It is so far unclear how significant is the trail that appears to lead from the mountains of the North Caucasus - the scene of a simmering ongoing insurgency - to the boulevards and suburban houses of north America.

After 18 years, two wars, and the loss of hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, the conflict in Chechnya and Russia’s southern backyard more generally has changed. From 1994-96 Boris Yeltsin fought a war against mainly secular Chechen separatists who wanted - like other ethnic republics after the collapse of the USSR - their own nationalist and constitutional state. In the period 1999-2004 Vladimir Putin - Yeltsin’s steely successor - fought a second Chechen war. The aim was to definitively crush Chechen separatism.

In recent years, however, the Kremlin and its regional proxies have been battling a different kind of enemy. This new generation of insurgents has an explicitly Islamist goal: to create a radical pan-Caucasian emirate ruled by Islamist law, a sort of Afghanistan under the Taliban. The movement’s leader, Doku Umarov, unveiled this ambitious vision in 2007. He vowed to liberate not only Russia’s Muslim North Caucausus but a large chunk of European Russia.

Umarov also suggested that devout Muslims should think internationally. His comments, later softened, said: “Today in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, and Palestine our brothers are fighting. Everyone who attacks Muslims wherever they are are our enemies, common enemies. Our enemy is not Russia only, but everyone who wages war against Islam and Muslims.”

This call to global jihad may perhaps offer a possible motive for an attack inside the US. The new generation of twenty-something rebels is also exploiting a powerful new weapon: the internet. The main Chechen rebel website,kavkazcenter.com, posts reports from the jihadi movement worldwide: from Syria, where Chechen diaspora fighters are battling government forces in Aleppo, from Pakistan, and from Turkey.

Over in the North Caucausus, meanwhile, the Kremlin is carrying out a brutal and rolling counter-insurgency campaign. Its focus is Dagestan, the neighbouring state to Chechnya, and now a hotbed of violent jihadist rebellion. Three weeks ago Umarov appealed to Chechen fighters abroad to come home to take part in the fight.

 

 

that reads like something out of a charles stross novel

any bets here on predator drone Dorner style to take him out? Didn't have a chance to read the whole thread

edit: daaamn, 40 people died in a 2010 moscow metro bombing? No wonder people call americans hyperbolic fear mongering ninnies, we have 3 people die and then an MIT cop the next day and we all lose our shit. man It's sort of embarrassing!

Edited April 19, 2013 by John Ehrlichman

I've been wondering why they haven't had the drones out this entire time.

has anyone tried to draw a connection between them an Al-qaeda yet?

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:31 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

has anyone tried to draw a connection between them an Al-qaeda yet?

 

I've only heard muslim.

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:02 PM, jules said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 7:36 PM, vasio said:

Yeah like the lot of you knew for a fact that it was a far-right white guy who did the attack.

Jesus fucking Christ...

 

sucks that ppl would wanna hold you accountable to things you say doesn't it

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:31 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

has anyone tried to draw a connection between them an Al-qaeda yet?

 

i've only heard "terror cells" and military training. the news was real quick to jump on the idea that these kids flew over to wherever and trained.

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:41 PM, zaphod said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:31 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

has anyone tried to draw a connection between them an Al-qaeda yet?

 

i've only heard "terror cells" and military training. the news was real quick to jump on the idea that these kids flew over to wherever and trained.

 

 

Yeah, they said that the older brother had visited Russia for around 6 months. They said links to terror cells are being investigated.

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:39 PM, MisterE said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:02 PM, jules said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 7:36 PM, vasio said:

Yeah like the lot of you knew for a fact that it was a far-right white guy who did the attack.

Jesus fucking Christ...

 

sucks that ppl would wanna hold you accountable to things you say doesn't it

 

except the funny part is, that's not what he said but apparently you'd like to re-write history instead and keep repeating it to reinforce your own tunnel vision. Also you never responded to my post after I thoughtfully responded to yours, do you just like to attack people and then run away? Seems cowardly.

Edited April 19, 2013 by John Ehrlichman

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:26 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

any bets here on predator drone Dorner style to take him out? Didn't have a chance to read the whole thread

 

edit: daaamn, 40 people died in a 2010 moscow metro bombing? No wonder people call americans hyperbolic fear mongering ninnies, we have 3 people die and then an MIT cop the next day and we all lose our shit. man It's sort of embarrassing!

do the limitations of your assery have no bounds? find a shred of evidence that a predator drone was sent after dorner. way to take a myth and run with it. but yeah that is another classic watmm moment, that whole thread about how the big bad ole government was using a drone to blow the fuck out of a guy without giving him a trial, with several pages of ppl crying over it etc, and then... it turns out no drone was even used. classic watmm. classic you. and if a drone had been used, it would have been for it's thermal imaging, just as surveillance, it wouldn't have been a 'predator drone' loaded with weapons sent out on a strike. obama hasn't quite acclimated us to the point of being able to get away with that yet. serious, who ties your shoes?

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:26 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

edit: daaamn, 40 people died in a 2010 moscow metro bombing? No wonder people call americans hyperbolic fear mongering ninnies, we have 3 people die and then an MIT cop the next day and we all lose our shit. man It's sort of embarrassing!

 

Fucking totally on the one hand. On the other, however, I think it's worth noting that the reach of these clowns far exceeded their grasp - a la Four Lions - but they wanted to kill a hundred people.

you're questions just continue to riddled with childish personal attacks. Do you really want to have serious conversations? I tried to respond nicely to your last bullshit blanket indictment of me and you pussed out, totally ignored it.

(obviously in response to MisterE )

Edited April 19, 2013 by John Ehrlichman

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:44 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:39 PM, MisterE said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:02 PM, jules said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 7:36 PM, vasio said:

Yeah like the lot of you knew for a fact that it was a far-right white guy who did the attack.

Jesus fucking Christ...

 

sucks that ppl would wanna hold you accountable to things you say doesn't it

 

except the funny part is, that's not what he said but apparently you'd like to re-write history instead and keep repeating it to reinforce your own tunnel vision. Also you never responded to my post after I thoughtfully responded to yours, do you just like to attack people and then run away? Seems cowardly.

 

it's not what HE said, but you keep bringing HIM up as the only singular example merely because all HE said was 'white basement dweller'. i think it's pretty safe to assume he meant right wing, but it doesn't matter. him asserting it's a white guy based on absolutely no facts, and you being a completely disgusting hypocrite and going out of your way to defend that, when you would cry foul if someone suggested it was a muslim, that's all that matters. nobody could tell who it was based on footage of a bomb. and jules' comment was not the only one in this thread, ass. there WERE people using subtle to not so subtle attempts at bringing right wingers into this. then there was your own bullshit, talking about right wing racism etc, but then you make a point to inform me that bill ayers is unrelated. you just randomly bring right wing racism, right wing fearmongering, etc into this, things which haven't happened yet, but only no it's not random. it's a pattern. its you and others here trying to use this to score political points. either that or you had fears it would turn out to be a muslim and you wanted to get all your bs out there before it happened.

 

Edited April 19, 2013 by MisterE

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:55 PM, MisterE said:

 

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:26 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

edit: daaamn, 40 people died in a 2010 moscow metro bombing? No wonder people call americans hyperbolic fear mongering ninnies, we have 3 people die and then an MIT cop the next day and we all lose our shit. man It's sort of embarrassing!

 

 

if a right winger killed a bunch of people, you would be demanding more coverage, if there were any less.

muslims do it you want radio silence

 

 

Radio silence? lol, come on, muslim terrorists even have their own hit television show, where quite hilariously the main "muslim" is a redheaded white guy who's been converted!

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:42 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:41 PM, zaphod said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:31 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

has anyone tried to draw a connection between them an Al-qaeda yet?

 

i've only heard "terror cells" and military training. the news was real quick to jump on the idea that these kids flew over to wherever and trained.

 

 

Yeah, they said that the older brother had visited Russia for around 6 months. They said links to terror cells are being investigated.

 

 

All the news outlets are being as vague as possible. The only facts for sure is that the suspect had sympathies to the Chechen Insurgency listed and posted on his social media account. Al-qaeda isn't part of any Islamist insurgencies in that entire region. It's a fucking misused buzzword for Islamic terror groups because the majority of the American public doesn't know anything about overseas insurgencies and ethnic conflicts, just like most didn't know and still don't know anything about the history of Afghanistan up until 2001.

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:11 PM, joshuatx said:

Yeah, it'll be sad when regular people try to grasp where Chechnya is and why it's relevant to world events. Hell, most Americans didn't know where Afghanistan was, let alone heard of it immediately after 9/11. Many still confuse it with Iraq.

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography

  On 4/18/2013 at 11:50 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

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All one needs to do is go back in american history to see why people like Bill Ayers existed. The draft in Vietnam and things like Kent State propelled anti war activism into acts like bombings and other things that would be virtually unheard of today. If Bill Ayers was actually a dude who supported Vietnam and hated hippies you're probably right, he wouldn't have been able to redeem himself in the way that he did.

But again I don't see how that has any connection whatsoever to what's going on now, there is virtually no large protest ground swell of anti war or anti US government right wing policies right now.

it has to do with now for one thing because it's another example of your double standards. here you are saying it's obvious why ppl like bill ayers existed. Bill Ayers, Kathy Boudin and the rest of the Weathermen wanted to plant bombs, and do other terroristy shit, with the hopes that it would trigger a larger, more violent and bloody uprising, and overthrow of the gov and reformation as communism. they made bombs loaded with shrapnel, which were clearly intended to maim/kill. luckily that bomb went off killing some (but unfortunately not all) of their own group, instead of innocents. but the killing of innocents was the obvious intention of it. boudin later went on to be involved in an armed robbery which resulted in plenty of death.

 

but to you, THAT'S 'redeemable'. killing and conducting war in the name of a far left ideology=redeemable. supporting a war (which was started and escalated over a period of a decade by Democrats, btw) with capitalism as its cause, to you, is irredeemable. huh. no double standards there.

  On 4/19/2013 at 9:03 PM, The Overlook said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:55 PM, MisterE said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:26 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

edit: daaamn, 40 people died in a 2010 moscow metro bombing? No wonder people call americans hyperbolic fear mongering ninnies, we have 3 people die and then an MIT cop the next day and we all lose our shit. man It's sort of embarrassing!

 

 

if a right winger killed a bunch of people, you would be demanding more coverage, if there were any less.

muslims do it you want radio silence

 

Radio silence? lol, come on, muslim terrorists even have their own hit television show, where quite hilariously the main "muslim" is a redheaded white guy who's been converted!

 

i'm talking about news...

people act like they want the news to just stop talking about this altogether now that it's been revealed to be ppl of muslim faith. i feel maybe 99% certain that those same people wouldn't be making these comments they are making about how the media needs to tone down the hype etc, and how ridiculous it is that they are making a big deal out of this when other countries have much bigger mass death events, these people would not be making these comments AT ALL if it turned out to be crazy extremist christians.

 

you know it.

i know it.

we all know it. this is how (some of) you guys operate.

  On 4/19/2013 at 9:14 PM, MisterE said:

, these people would not be making these comments AT ALL if it turned out to be crazy extremist christians.

 

you know it.

i know it.

we all know it. this is how (some of) you guys operate.

Source?

jesus christ wtf is happening to watmm??

  On 4/19/2013 at 9:14 PM, MisterE said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 9:03 PM, The Overlook said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:55 PM, MisterE said:

 

  On 4/19/2013 at 8:26 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

edit: daaamn, 40 people died in a 2010 moscow metro bombing? No wonder people call americans hyperbolic fear mongering ninnies, we have 3 people die and then an MIT cop the next day and we all lose our shit. man It's sort of embarrassing!

 

 

if a right winger killed a bunch of people, you would be demanding more coverage, if there were any less.

muslims do it you want radio silence

 

Radio silence? lol, come on, muslim terrorists even have their own hit television show, where quite hilariously the main "muslim" is a redheaded white guy who's been converted!

 

i'm talking about news...

people act like they want the news to just stop talking about this altogether now that it's been revealed to be ppl of muslim faith. i feel maybe 99% certain that those same people wouldn't be making these comments they are making about how the media needs to tone down the hype etc, and how ridiculous it is that they are making a big deal out of this when other countries have much bigger mass death events, these people would not be making these comments AT ALL if it turned out to be crazy extremist christians.

 

you know it.

i know it.

we all know it. this is how (some of) you guys operate.

 

 

I think whatever point you're trying to make is buried up the ass-end of the strawman you're constructing. That + you're a bit tl;dr for the last several pages. When you have so little of interest to say, brevity is your friend, friendo.