squarepusher I'm really confused

  David R James said:

If someone does it right and it sounds good i'll be on it, if its a bit poop then i wont, thats the only way i see things in terms of the sounds used.

-joshier (real fan)

  xxx said:

Roland sounds are a staple of electronic music. Techno=Roland and Roland=Techno. If anything, the fetishism hasn't gone far enough; consider that most rock albums use one or two guitars, a set of drums, and a bass guitar. It could be a lot worse i.e. 78 minutes of Rebirth 1.0 At least most "copyists" people are mentioning in this thread make an effort to use a Roland/"Analord" backbone and add nice things to the palette like DSP edits, interesting pads and synth voicings, and enhanced rhythms.

this is one the most depressing posts ive read on this forum and its even more painful for me because XXX is cool guy.

your analogy of a rock band using one or two guitars, a set of drums and a bass guitar does not work here because you are referring to SPECIFC BRANDS of subtractive synthesizer units , not the idea of subtractive synthesis itself which i will agree is the staple of electronic music. If Rock bands used only one brand of drum set, tuned the exact same way and recorded it with the exact same mic array then your analogy might partially work.

Because this is what 303 / 909 / 808 usage is, they are recorded directly line out and almost always sound exactly the same (uneffected) no matter who is using them.

If Roland sounds are the staple of electronic music and you think its just going to get more fetishistic

whats really going on here is the staple of electronic music is laziness and lack of creativity.

And i hope that because of the overwhelming fetishism there will be a backlash against it just as there was for DSP/laptop glitchery (crosses fingers)

i'd never thought i'd see the day where it was considered 'cutting edge' to be banally retro

how about you consider an orchestra for the analogy.

i think it's doing new things that matters more than the gear, i'd rather listen all the way through gescom - d1 than *random analord track* because it's totally unpredictable and has these strange rhythmic/dynamic twists despite sounding like dry 20 year old samples.

but yeah you are gonna get a lot of flack for suggesting that playing pretty melodies through expensive filters isn't the most that idm could be. :undecided:

  Awepittance said:

i'd never thought i'd see the day where it was considered 'cutting edge' to be banally retro

srsly?

i figured it was inevitable...maybe it's just how i've grown up

  Awepittance said:

  xxx said:

Roland sounds are a staple of electronic music. Techno=Roland and Roland=Techno. If anything, the fetishism hasn't gone far enough; consider that most rock albums use one or two guitars, a set of drums, and a bass guitar. It could be a lot worse i.e. 78 minutes of Rebirth 1.0 At least most "copyists" people are mentioning in this thread make an effort to use a Roland/"Analord" backbone and add nice things to the palette like DSP edits, interesting pads and synth voicings, and enhanced rhythms.

 

 

this is one the most depressing posts ive read on this forum and its even more painful for me because XXX is cool guy.

 

your analogy of a rock band using one or two guitars, a set of drums and a bass guitar does not work here because you are referring to SPECIFC BRANDS of subtractive synthesizer units , not the idea of subtractive synthesis itself which i will agree is the staple of electronic music. If Rock bands used only one brand of drum set, tuned the exact same way and recorded it with the exact same mic array then your analogy might partially work.

Because this is what 303 / 909 / 808 usage is, they are recorded directly line out and almost always sound exactly the same (uneffected) no matter who is using them.

 

If Roland sounds are the staple of electronic music and you think its just going to get more fetishistic

whats really going on here is the staple of electronic music is laziness and lack of creativity.

And i hope that because of the overwhelming fetishism there will be a backlash against it just as there was for DSP/laptop glitchery (crosses fingers)

 

i'd never thought i'd see the day where it was considered 'cutting edge' to be banally retro

So Yellow Light District isn't banally retro then? Juss sayin'..

I don't understand the title "8 bit inspired" thing.

this thread is so full of fail it hurts.

joshier, either you don't know how to express your thoughts clearly, or you're just plain retarded. stuff you've written in this thread so far... i'm leaning towards the latter.

awepittance, how do you manage to get into the same argument for the 254th time? and it's not even an argument... you're bashing on the X0X fleet because i guess you're tired of their sound, but then you're saying it's creativity that's missing... you saying those machines can't provide a platform for expressing creative ideas? you'll have to decide whether you're bothered by the sound or the more general lack of original ideas in music, beyond sound design. i can't imagine someone would get that worked up just because of sound... can't you hear the music?

how the fuck did i even enter this idiotic thread... oh wait i know - the 8bit title.

  Awepittance said:

  xxx said:

Roland sounds are a staple of electronic music. Techno=Roland and Roland=Techno. If anything, the fetishism hasn't gone far enough; consider that most rock albums use one or two guitars, a set of drums, and a bass guitar. It could be a lot worse i.e. 78 minutes of Rebirth 1.0 At least most "copyists" people are mentioning in this thread make an effort to use a Roland/"Analord" backbone and add nice things to the palette like DSP edits, interesting pads and synth voicings, and enhanced rhythms.

 

 

this is one the most depressing posts ive read on this forum and its even more painful for me because XXX is cool guy.

 

your analogy of a rock band using one or two guitars, a set of drums and a bass guitar does not work here because you are referring to SPECIFC BRANDS of subtractive synthesizer units , not the idea of subtractive synthesis itself which i will agree is the staple of electronic music. If Rock bands used only one brand of drum set, tuned the exact same way and recorded it with the exact same mic array then your analogy might partially work.

Because this is what 303 / 909 / 808 usage is, they are recorded directly line out and almost always sound exactly the same (uneffected) no matter who is using them.

 

If Roland sounds are the staple of electronic music and you think its just going to get more fetishistic

whats really going on here is the staple of electronic music is laziness and lack of creativity.

And i hope that because of the overwhelming fetishism there will be a backlash against it just as there was for DSP/laptop glitchery (crosses fingers)

 

i'd never thought i'd see the day where it was considered 'cutting edge' to be banally retro

in fact i think its depressing that you cant believe in people to use the same instruments to create new, awesome music. its only because few people actually seem to have the musicallity to create stuff that sounds a million years removed from anything else at the moment, not because people arent creating their own max/msp synths from scratch rather than using an existing synth to make the sound. your opinion seems quite snobbish to me.

edit:seems kokoon shares this opinion and beat me to it.

  Awepittance said:

your analogy of a rock band using one or two guitars, a set of drums and a bass guitar does not work here because you are referring to SPECIFC BRANDS of subtractive synthesizer units , not the idea of subtractive synthesis itself which i will agree is the staple of electronic music. If Rock bands used only one brand of drum set, tuned the exact same way and recorded it with the exact same mic array then your analogy might partially work.

Because this is what 303 / 909 / 808 usage is, they are recorded directly line out and almost always sound exactly the same (uneffected) no matter who is using them.

also, this paragraph is absolutely ridiculous on so many levels.

Example: did messiaen have to reinvent the piano to write his 'vingt regards sur la...'? no he used the exact same instrument that was created 300 years previously, he just used it in a fashion that was completely unique, spectacular, and incomparable to pretty much everything that had gone before.

and a synth has infinite capabilty compared to a piano i would have thought.

edit:blabbing on like a retard but im hungover to fuck and i just want something to blab about.

i love to use my rolands on a daily basis, i love they way they smell, and feel when im making a bassline or an arpeggio.

i like the live factor too.

You people are fucking stupid.

you think so?

You are smarter than me.

  Braintree said:

You people are fucking stupid.

i feel completely inferior to your intellect now you've pointed that out. grow up

  messiaen said:

  Braintree said:

You people are fucking stupid.

 

i feel completely inferior to your intellect now you've pointed that out. grow up

  Braintree said:

You are smarter than me.

unlikely, pot has made my brain slow to halt.

:sick:

So are we still talking about how every now and then artists try new things?

i trol u

You know, I wouldn't care half as much about the whole recent trend of shit roland drum machines being used if the music made up for it.

The fact that the music DOESN'T make up for it makes me doubly angry.

It's like fat girls. I don't mind them existing, but when you get a stuck up fat ugly girl with an attitude problem, my anger rises two fold because of the two conflicting factors. The law of physics shouldn't allow it like it doesn't with oil & water, but it does and that's when I get pissed off.

shit roland drum machines?

tr-626?

  chris moss acid said:

shit roland drum machines?

 

tr-626?

Is that the one you exclusively use? if so then the exception to that one as I don't want you to start an argument.

Actually, a person like chris moss acid I don't mind. His name says it all. But it's these other fuckers who once made different music are all clamouring around the trend of acid & the drum machines that go with it.

If I was you chris, I'd be pissed off too.