Breaking Bad Season 3

  On 5/4/2010 at 1:03 AM, Awepittance said:

so was Gus the one who warned Hank? sounded like his voice put through a voice distorter

yes i believe it was Gus, he wanted Hank to eliminate the twins bc they had a hard-on to kill Walt, who he needs to keep cooking for him.

  On 5/3/2010 at 7:00 AM, analogue wings said:

The scene where Gus offers Walt $3mil right after he says "I'm done", I'm guessing that parallels the IRL interaction between the creators and the network.

 

You couldn't keep this show gritty and realistic past 2 series. It was already teetering under the implausibility of fuckups like Walt and Jesse still being alive. In The Wire (official yardstick of TV realism™) they would have lasted 7 episodes max being that dumb.

 

I reckon they figured they had made a nice realistic(ish) drama about consequences and inevitability and whatnot, and then when the network said "more plz" they said "no, story done", and then the network said "have this private island" and they said "fuck realism, lets make some magic realism magnolia donnie darko everything is interrelated crazy shit and let's throw in some Robert Rodriguez cartoon drug enforcers and just have a fucking blast"

 

I think I preferred the realistic version but I get the choices they have made and it's still fun.

This is absolutely spot on and it's only if I force myself into a perspective of forgetting everything I loved about the first two seasons that I can go on enjoying it in its current state.

There were several more WTF, unmotivated, bizarre, inconsistent and contradictory things happening in Ep. 7, but they're obviously way past making anything meaningful or interesting with the show. It's delved completely into chewing gum territory. They're just wringing the fuck out of things and milking every possible angle. It's more like Heroes or Lost at this point.

shit really hit the fan in that last 6 minutes

I think realism in television is sort of a contradiction in itself, but yeah there were a few blatantly questionable moments

comparing the quality of this show to heroes or lost is fucking retarded. Breaking Bad is waaay way more intense, entertaining, interesting etc.

Is nobody else bothered by what an unrelenting cunt Walt has become?

He is literally unrecognizable from the guy we met in season 1. It's as though we've been asked to believe that he never did care about his family in the first place and that money (for himself), power, megalomania supplied the motive for his foray into cooking/selling meth

Like, he once got into all this BECAUSE he loved his family (including Hank) and now he seems to do all this shit despite them.

Walt has always anchored the show and he's just less and less likable, not to mention believable.

Isn't that the whole point of the character??

  On 5/4/2010 at 7:09 PM, The Overlook said:

Walt has always anchored the show and he's just less and less likable, not to mention believable.

He's Breaking Bad

  On 5/4/2010 at 7:09 PM, The Overlook said:

Is nobody else bothered by what an unrelenting cunt Walt has become?

 

He is literally unrecognizable from the guy we met in season 1. It's as though we've been asked to believe that he never did care about his family in the first place and that money (for himself), power, megalomania supplied the motive for his foray into cooking/selling meth

 

Like, he once got into all this BECAUSE he loved his family (including Hank) and now he seems to do all this shit despite them.

 

Walt has always anchored the show and he's just less and less likable, not to mention believable.

  On 5/4/2010 at 7:14 PM, Boxing Day said:

Isn't that the whole point of the character??

Mirezzi. you just got owned by a guy with an ICP signature.

That episode was intense, right from the get go. I thought Hank had killed Jesse. Then with the ending? boo-ya.

Will Jesse scheme to fuck with Walt?

Boy that ending came out of nowhere... the episode was so slow paced throughout that the impact of the last scene had my heart racing

it's fucking dumb as shit now compared to what it used to be

lots of things to not like about that ep if you are a fan of the first two series

Of course the internet is absolutely creaming over it. Sigh. Fanbois are aesthetically stunted creatures. They only care about WHAT happens, not HOW the story is told. Any episode where BIG STUFF HAPPENS is automatically the OMG BEST EPISODE EVARRRR.

  On 5/5/2010 at 10:23 AM, analogue wings said:

Of course the internet is absolutely creaming over it. Sigh. Fanbois are aesthetically stunted creatures. They only care about WHAT happens, not HOW the story is told. Any episode where BIG STUFF HAPPENS is automatically the OMG BEST EPISODE EVARRRR.

I think if you were to head over to the imdb forums for the show you'd see pretty much a similar boiling pot of opinions on the latest episode and the direction of the series in general.

faith in humanity somewhat restored

i didnt think the episode was bad enough to put me off the whole series, i'd just hate them to get a whole lot of accolades for it and start doing that every week...

  On 5/5/2010 at 11:03 AM, analogue wings said:

faith in humanity somewhat restored

 

i didnt think the episode was bad enough to put me off the whole series, i'd just hate them to get a whole lot of accolades for it and start doing that every week...

I feel you. I think it's just when they have a fast paced actiony/eventful episode they tend to skip over some of the details they might otherwise have dwelled on and built upon or just delivered them in an entirely differant but slower way.

  On 5/5/2010 at 9:26 AM, analogue wings said:

it's fucking dumb as shit now compared to what it used to be

 

lots of things to not like about that ep if you are a fan of the first two series

Yeah, pretty much. Speaking of which, looks like you and I are the only two WATMMers who feel this way...

I can't stand the Robert Rodriguez vibe, but it's clearly producing the cumstained underoos that the producers can cash in on...

It's funny how this last episode featured some of the worst acting/writing to date, too. Jesse's little diatribes from his hospital bed? Fucking hilariously weak. The "I'm gonna haunt Hank!" and "I hate you, Dad/Walt!" monologues were worse than the shit from Season 2 of Deadwood.

  On 5/5/2010 at 4:08 PM, The Overlook said:

  On 5/5/2010 at 9:26 AM, analogue wings said:

it's fucking dumb as shit now compared to what it used to be

 

lots of things to not like about that ep if you are a fan of the first two series

Yeah, pretty much. Speaking of which, looks like you and I are the only two WATMMers who feel this way...

 

I can't stand the Robert Rodriguez vibe, but it's clearly producing the cumstained underoos that the producers can cash in on...

 

It's funny how this last episode featured some of the worst acting/writing to date, too. Jesse's little diatribes from his hospital bed? Fucking hilariously weak. The "I'm gonna haunt Hank!" and "I hate you, Dad/Walt!" monologues were worse than the shit from Season 2 of Deadwood.

i also feel the same, just don't give a shit about explain it to my fellow watmmers...

again I understand the criticism's completely, this show is not super realistic anymore but I think there were a lot hints to it being surrealistic in season 1 and 2. Even when the plot gets a bit ridiculous I don't find myself getting frustrated like I do with many other shows. Jesse's hate speech about Hank was cringe worthy but somehow didn't annoy me.

This show remains incredibly entertaining and I would much rather still have good entertainment than over analyze everything and wish they went ultra realistic and ended in season 2. This show is great and I'm very glad its still on and I don't think it could have really gone in any other direction without making it boring.

You really are getting crazy pessimistic trying to find problems if you really are facepalming about the transformation of Walt. I think his character developing into a slightly heartless jaded pissed off selfish mofo is completely understandable and expected. Showing that development was what the show was originally intended to do and it has.

  On 5/5/2010 at 4:18 PM, THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON said:

  On 5/5/2010 at 4:08 PM, The Overlook said:

  On 5/5/2010 at 9:26 AM, analogue wings said:

it's fucking dumb as shit now compared to what it used to be

 

lots of things to not like about that ep if you are a fan of the first two series

Yeah, pretty much. Speaking of which, looks like you and I are the only two WATMMers who feel this way...

 

I can't stand the Robert Rodriguez vibe, but it's clearly producing the cumstained underoos that the producers can cash in on...

 

It's funny how this last episode featured some of the worst acting/writing to date, too. Jesse's little diatribes from his hospital bed? Fucking hilariously weak. The "I'm gonna haunt Hank!" and "I hate you, Dad/Walt!" monologues were worse than the shit from Season 2 of Deadwood.

i also feel the same, just don't give a shit about explain it to my fellow watmmers...

last episode should be named THE DRAMA QUEEN

  On 5/5/2010 at 4:20 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

again I understand the criticism's completely, this show is not super realistic anymore but I think there were a lot hints to it being surrealistic in season 1 and 2. Even when the plot gets a bit ridiculous I don't find myself getting frustrated like I do with many other shows. Jesse's hate speech about Hank was cringe worthy but somehow didn't annoy me.

 

This show remains incredibly entertaining and I would much rather still have good entertainment than over analyze everything and wish they went ultra realistic and ended in season 2. This show is great and I'm very glad its still on and I don't think it could have really gone in any other direction without making it boring.

 

You really are getting crazy pessimistic trying to find problems if you really are facepalming about the transformation of Walt. I think his character developing into a slightly heartless jaded pissed off selfish mofo is completely understandable and expected. Showing that development was what the show was originally intended to do and it has.

Well, therein lies the problem. I wish they had ended it after season 2. It had the perfect balance of morality and violence. It wasn't always realistic, either, and its realism isn't what attracted me. In fact, it was far more akin to poetry than reality TV.

The producers are milking a credulous bunch of American cows now. It's not hard to do and I don't blame them for doing it. Americans like their shows to go on for years and years and years until they're numb with Fanboydom and can't even critique the shit anymore and instead slavishly defend the tit they're gnashing... (See: Seinfeld, Lost, Heroes, South Park, Simpsons, ER, etc. etc.).

I'm just not interested. No biggie.

The show is nowhere fucking close to a watered down stale uninspired boring piece of shit dieing old gramdma without sphincter control shitting everywhere and regurgitating none sense like Lost, The Simpson's or Heroes(which I never got into)((cause its fucking stupid)). To put it in that category is fucking ridiculous in my opinion.

Well, at least we agree on Lost, which is fucking unwatchable and always has been.

I'm not comparing content, I'm comparing the compulsion of producers to compete with Lost by dragging shit out, fabricating tedious cliffhangers, and catering to the LCD with the Robert Rodriguez-lite gimmicks that the last two episodes were chock full of.

It really comes down to writing and there were so many inexplicable things in the last two episodes that combined with some truly horrid dialog...for me, the show jumped off the tracks, but I'm not giving up on it. Yet.

I was watching Nicholas Ray's Bigger Than Life the other day and if you recognize James Mason's Ed Avery as a primer for Bryan Cranston's Walter White, as I very much do, you'll see why I'm so in love with the latter character. If Walt takes a backseat to all the other bullshit happening in the show, I lose interest. In the last two episodes, Walt was almost unrecognizable.

What makes Walt tick now? Yes, the show was constructed around his emasculation (taking on menial second job to pay bills) and was quickly followed with his cancer diagnosis. That supplied all the motive for his immoral actions. What about now? He had a boyhood dream of being a drug lord? They've touched a bit of his ego, sure. He wants to make the best "product" because he's a geeky scientist, etc. but that doesn't supply a very powerful motivation for what he's doing. His wife is gone, he rarely sees his kid, Hank and his sister in-law are in the shitter......all due, in part, to Walt's foray into selling drugs.

The turn they're making in the show is huge. Walt's entire family has dissolved around him and he can only blame himself for that. Yet he decided to continue on with meth. Why? I'm not saying he shouldn't. I just wanna know why and the show is not giving me that. The current writing has more or less turned him into a bland robot.

  On 5/5/2010 at 4:52 PM, The Overlook said:

 

 

The turn they're making in the show is huge. Walt's entire family has dissolved around him and he can only blame himself for that. Yet he decided to continue on with meth. Why? I'm not saying he shouldn't. I just wanna know why and the show is not giving me that. The current writing has more or less turned him into a bland robot.

You need to re-watch Season 2 mate. There were some stuff he did that pretty much killed the last bit of humanity he had.

  On 5/5/2010 at 4:55 PM, Boxing Day said:

  On 5/5/2010 at 4:52 PM, The Overlook said:

 

 

The turn they're making in the show is huge. Walt's entire family has dissolved around him and he can only blame himself for that. Yet he decided to continue on with meth. Why? I'm not saying he shouldn't. I just wanna know why and the show is not giving me that. The current writing has more or less turned him into a bland robot.

 

You need to re-watch Season 2 mate. There were some stuff he did that pretty much killed the last bit of humanity he had.

I know and I loved it. I know precisely what moment you're talking about (Jesse's girlfriend), but at least Walt had screen time to struggle.

I think what I'm really trying to say is this show SUCKS without Walt and Walt's family. More Walt, less retarded Mexican gangsters. Seriously. That shit was so fucking weak. Early on, Blanket Fort promised me there would be a good explanation for them being mute (missing tongues or something) but nooooooooo, they really were just generic Mexican terminator druggies taken straight from plot lines of Grand Theft Auto.

More Walt. Less bullshit. Happy Mirezzi.

The show is just as "realistic" as it always has been, which is pretty un fucking realistic, for one watch the first episode again, look at the story, then watch the second episode, then the third, repeat the words: it is a tv show. They shoudl have died in the first episode. You want realism, go outside, start dealing meth for yourself.

But hey as long as you are the only two guys who hate it, it must be worth repeating the same comment again > insert different tv show/album/member, everyone must dislike it and see your grandoise view point that we wernt able to see ourselfs.

You can take this further that the show consists of four different parts, one part sopranoes, one part six feet under, one part wire and one part malcolm and the middle. You can see that as a bad or a good thing, I see it as a good thing, why, because it doesn't matter.

The second series was just as bad, if your thinking in terms of badness, moaning about the third series having things out of character/not making sense just makes you guys come of as complete flem membranes who only jump on the hate band wagon now as the only two gits on watmm who used to be the only two guys who liked it, now its become more popular. Perhaps it's not populism, perhaps you have just become bored of it and are only now seeing it for what it really has been all along. Writting in depth about how much you hate a show is something of a role that needs to be filled, teh karma applications have been filed away, which is understandable on a show like Lost which went completley out of control, but these last few pages of words just makes people come off as tits.

Enjoy things in life, watch things you like, talk about the things you enjoy.

By the way, I enjoy this show.

PS If you want good writting, read some books don't watch tv shows.

  On 5/5/2010 at 4:58 PM, The Overlook said:

  On 5/5/2010 at 4:55 PM, Boxing Day said:

  On 5/5/2010 at 4:52 PM, The Overlook said:

 

 

The turn they're making in the show is huge. Walt's entire family has dissolved around him and he can only blame himself for that. Yet he decided to continue on with meth. Why? I'm not saying he shouldn't. I just wanna know why and the show is not giving me that. The current writing has more or less turned him into a bland robot.

 

You need to re-watch Season 2 mate. There were some stuff he did that pretty much killed the last bit of humanity he had.

I know and I loved it. I know precisely what moment you're talking about (Jesse's girlfriend), but at least Walt had screen time to struggle.

 

I think what I'm really trying to say is this show SUCKS without Walt and Walt's family. More Walt, less retarded Mexican gangsters. Seriously. That shit was so fucking weak. Early on, Blanket Fort promised me there would be a good explanation for them being mute (missing tongues or something) but nooooooooo, they really were just generic Mexican terminator druggies taken straight from plot lines of Grand Theft Auto.

 

More Walt. Less bullshit. Happy Mirezzi.

LOL , RIP Cousins.

I think from now on we will see more of Walt. Hank's storyline is pretty much over + now that Jesse is back cooking with Walt there is more room for the writers to concentrate on them.