Minecraft

  On 2/7/2012 at 10:56 PM, GORDO said:

I believe you have it wrong kaini, the reason why the chunks are a 16x16x128 is because of the falling thing you mentioned and the reason why max height is 128 is because of resource management.

that's exactly what i said. and jeb seems to have figured out some way to get around it without needing an 8-core i7 and 16 gigs of RAM.

a 16^3 or 32^3 engine would have to render less blocks at any one time if we're only talking about rendering, not falling... and only have to worry about stuff below the present chunk non-trivially in the case of something like ravines or being on top of a huge mountain. generally speaking it would make the game more efficient.

16x16x128 = 32768. current engine renders all of these and then removes blocks after based on occlusion.

in a 16^3 engine, less blocks

16^3 = 4096. again remove some with occlusion (but add some based on visibility above/below the current chunk)

in a 32^3 engine same amount, 32^3 = 32768.

it would have to render more chunks because you can see above/below you beyond the chunk you're in, but it would still be more efficient in the majority of cases.

think of it this way; assuming current max height, at ground level (64), looking at a mountain above you and for the purposes of demonstration assuming rendering just the chunk you're in using the present engine: with the current engine with 16x16x128 chunks the game renders one chunk for a total of 32768 blocks. with a 16^3 chunk it would render four chunks with a total of 16384 blocks before removing some.

fun fact: this chunk rendering system would also allow for proper three-dimensional fog as opposed to the 2d fog we have at present. and that would probably allow for some funky mods in time.

of course all of this would require a major rewrite. jeb's probably come up with a hacky kludgey thing instead.

  On 2/7/2012 at 10:58 PM, Pennywise said:

The things I really want to see in the game (and I think most people do too) are biome specific mobs, items, ore etc. For example, you can only find a certain gem in a desert biome dungeon. The gem is used to make a bracelet or something that allows you to shoot fire.

 

I really want it to be a game where you need to travel miles to get something useful and rare. The journey isn't easy, so it is much more efficent and safe to travel with others on smp.

 

I dunno, I guess a lot of people can't be fucked to walk miles around and I don't blame them.

 

edit: there could also be quests where you have to reach a certain point in the map.

 

I wanna see skyrim in minecraft lol, basically D:

i totally agree with that, travelling for getting stuff. than would add an epic dimension. I like to see this game as a huge RPG. Imagine a server where there would be organized factions in war, with economy and stuff, and where all would be controlled by players. Minecraft has still a long way to go imo

You need to travel shitloads to get warts, I don't quite like that. And there are lots of RPG servers. Mods can make minecraft whatever you want really. That's great. And I'm excited about heigh limit, maybe we'll see real mountains. Will Jeb add this at 1.2?

  On 2/7/2012 at 11:22 PM, Adam Beker said:

You need to travel shitloads to get warts, I don't quite like that

yeah but get just one and you can get a farm going provided you're willing to idle forfuckingever in the nether.

as for the height limit, it's up in the air (lol) at the moment. jeb has however confirmed he'll provide a converter for existing maps.

  On 2/7/2012 at 10:58 PM, Pennywise said:

The things I really want to see in the game (and I think most people do too) are biome specific mobs, items, ore etc. For example, you can only find a certain gem in a desert biome dungeon. The gem is used to make a bracelet or something that allows you to shoot fire.

 

I really want it to be a game where you need to travel miles to get something useful and rare. The journey isn't easy, so it is much more efficent and safe to travel with others on smp.

 

I dunno, I guess a lot of people can't be fucked to walk miles around and I don't blame them.

 

edit: there could also be quests where you have to reach a certain point in the map.

 

I wanna see skyrim in minecraft lol, basically D:

I know nothing about skyrim except for memes but...

Yea there needs to be biome specific things. Not just a change of scenery. Some biomes already have specifics. So that's cool. I would like to see your "certain gem in certain biome" used, that's a cool idea. Basically there needs to be reasons to go to each biome aside from needing sand for glass or a different color wood for decorating.

I always wished mountain biomes had a rare gem hidden in the hills only above sea level.

  On 2/7/2012 at 11:32 PM, couch said:

  On 2/7/2012 at 10:58 PM, Pennywise said:

The things I really want to see in the game (and I think most people do too) are biome specific mobs, items, ore etc. For example, you can only find a certain gem in a desert biome dungeon. The gem is used to make a bracelet or something that allows you to shoot fire.

 

I really want it to be a game where you need to travel miles to get something useful and rare. The journey isn't easy, so it is much more efficent and safe to travel with others on smp.

 

I dunno, I guess a lot of people can't be fucked to walk miles around and I don't blame them.

 

edit: there could also be quests where you have to reach a certain point in the map.

 

I wanna see skyrim in minecraft lol, basically D:

I know nothing about skyrim except for memes but...

 

Yea there needs to be biome specific things. Not just a change of scenery. Some biomes already have specifics. So that's cool. I would like to see your "certain gem in certain biome" used, that's a cool idea. Basically there needs to be reasons to go to each biome aside from needing sand for glass or a different color wood for decorating.

 

I always wished mountain biomes had a rare gem hidden in the hills only above sea level.

even just add some weird rare item that's only in strongholds.

I think Mojang should just go ahead and call it a day on Minecraft and work on a sequel with all that jazz. I payed like 6 quid for this game

and i've played it for over a year.

they absolutely need to complete a proper mod API before they call it a day. that'll really open the game up.

  On 2/7/2012 at 10:59 PM, kaini said:

  On 2/7/2012 at 10:56 PM, GORDO said:

I believe you have it wrong kaini, the reason why the chunks are a 16x16x128 is because of the falling thing you mentioned and the reason why max height is 128 is because of resource management.

 

that's exactly what i said. and jeb seems to have figured out some way to get around it without needing an 8-core i7 and 16 gigs of RAM.

 

a 16^3 or 32^3 engine would have to render less blocks at any one time if we're only talking about rendering, not falling... and only have to worry about stuff below the present chunk non-trivially in the case of something like ravines or being on top of a huge mountain. generally speaking it would make the game more efficient.

 

16x16x128 = 32768. current engine renders all of these and then removes blocks after based on occlusion.

 

in a 16^3 engine, less blocks

16^3 = 4096. again remove some with occlusion (but add some based on visibility above/below the current chunk)

 

in a 32^3 engine same amount, 32^3 = 32768.

 

it would have to render more chunks because you can see above/below you beyond the chunk you're in, but it would still be more efficient in the majority of cases.

 

think of it this way; assuming current max height, at ground level (64), looking at a mountain above you and for the purposes of demonstration assuming rendering just the chunk you're in using the present engine: with the current engine with 16x16x128 chunks the game renders one chunk for a total of 32768 blocks. with a 16^3 chunk it would render four chunks with a total of 16384 blocks before removing some.

 

fun fact: this chunk rendering system would also allow for proper three-dimensional fog as opposed to the 2d fog we have at present. and that would probably allow for some funky mods in time.

 

of course all of this would require a major rewrite. jeb's probably come up with a hacky kludgey thing instead.

As I said, there's already a mod that does that, Cubic Chunks.

  On 2/7/2012 at 11:34 PM, kaini said:

  On 2/7/2012 at 11:32 PM, couch said:

  On 2/7/2012 at 10:58 PM, Pennywise said:

The things I really want to see in the game (and I think most people do too) are biome specific mobs, items, ore etc. For example, you can only find a certain gem in a desert biome dungeon. The gem is used to make a bracelet or something that allows you to shoot fire.

 

I really want it to be a game where you need to travel miles to get something useful and rare. The journey isn't easy, so it is much more efficent and safe to travel with others on smp.

 

I dunno, I guess a lot of people can't be fucked to walk miles around and I don't blame them.

 

edit: there could also be quests where you have to reach a certain point in the map.

 

I wanna see skyrim in minecraft lol, basically D:

I know nothing about skyrim except for memes but...

 

Yea there needs to be biome specific things. Not just a change of scenery. Some biomes already have specifics. So that's cool. I would like to see your "certain gem in certain biome" used, that's a cool idea. Basically there needs to be reasons to go to each biome aside from needing sand for glass or a different color wood for decorating.

 

I always wished mountain biomes had a rare gem hidden in the hills only above sea level.

 

even just add some weird rare item that's only in strongholds.

I hate to say it but Minecraft seems to have turned itself into a game that will need occasional content updates to keep people interested.

  On 2/7/2012 at 10:58 PM, Pennywise said:

The things I really want to see in the game (and I think most people do too) are biome specific mobs, items, ore etc. For example, you can only find a certain gem in a desert biome dungeon. The gem is used to make a bracelet or something that allows you to shoot fire.

 

I really want it to be a game where you need to travel miles to get something useful and rare. The journey isn't easy, so it is much more efficent and safe to travel with others on smp.

 

I dunno, I guess a lot of people can't be fucked to walk miles around and I don't blame them.

 

edit: there could also be quests where you have to reach a certain point in the map.

 

I wanna see skyrim in minecraft lol, basically D:

That would actually be really cool. As for the biome-specific mobs, you should go play Terraria. It's at least 50x more fun than Minecraft.

It would be best if it hadn't. If they would announce a final update, maybe add a bug fix or two and then use their energy on something else, maybe even minecraft 2.

edit, skip upper post

  On 2/8/2012 at 1:40 AM, GORDO said:

  On 2/7/2012 at 10:59 PM, kaini said:

  On 2/7/2012 at 10:56 PM, GORDO said:

I believe you have it wrong kaini, the reason why the chunks are a 16x16x128 is because of the falling thing you mentioned and the reason why max height is 128 is because of resource management.

 

that's exactly what i said. and jeb seems to have figured out some way to get around it without needing an 8-core i7 and 16 gigs of RAM.

 

a 16^3 or 32^3 engine would have to render less blocks at any one time if we're only talking about rendering, not falling... and only have to worry about stuff below the present chunk non-trivially in the case of something like ravines or being on top of a huge mountain. generally speaking it would make the game more efficient.

 

16x16x128 = 32768. current engine renders all of these and then removes blocks after based on occlusion.

 

in a 16^3 engine, less blocks

16^3 = 4096. again remove some with occlusion (but add some based on visibility above/below the current chunk)

 

in a 32^3 engine same amount, 32^3 = 32768.

 

it would have to render more chunks because you can see above/below you beyond the chunk you're in, but it would still be more efficient in the majority of cases.

 

think of it this way; assuming current max height, at ground level (64), looking at a mountain above you and for the purposes of demonstration assuming rendering just the chunk you're in using the present engine: with the current engine with 16x16x128 chunks the game renders one chunk for a total of 32768 blocks. with a 16^3 chunk it would render four chunks with a total of 16384 blocks before removing some.

 

fun fact: this chunk rendering system would also allow for proper three-dimensional fog as opposed to the 2d fog we have at present. and that would probably allow for some funky mods in time.

 

of course all of this would require a major rewrite. jeb's probably come up with a hacky kludgey thing instead.

 

As I said, there's already a mod that does that, Cubic Chunks.

sure. but think about this sort of thing being proper legit game content. same way the nice lighting engine did. combine that with a proper mod API and you'd see some incredible mods.

If I were Mojang I'd:

- start creating "DLC" which would basically be minecraft with different themes (outer space, cities) that you would have to pay a small fee for.

- take all the loot generated from this and apply it towards minecraft 2

  On 2/8/2012 at 2:35 AM, lumpenprol said:

If I were Mojang I'd:

 

- start creating "DLC" which would basically be minecraft with different themes (outer space, cities) that you would have to pay a small fee for.

- take all the loot generated from this and apply it towards minecraft 2

I disagree strongly with both of these

  On 2/8/2012 at 2:35 AM, lumpenprol said:

If I were Mojang I'd:

 

- take all the loot generated from this and party with supermodels in vegas, lol

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The fuck is happening guys? ;(

  On 2/8/2012 at 7:12 PM, Adam Beker said:

The fuck is happening guys? ;(

 

 

Aww, that's beautiful, thankyou :D. haha.

Yeh im dissapointed and ashamed of myself

ah shit... who am I going to raid with now?

I'm still there and I can't wait for WATUMM force to raise and destroy all other life form on HCSMP

Me too! Though some guys are nice. I just enchanted my diamond sword with 50 level enchancment and got....

BANE OF AMORhTOPOZIDRONS 5 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

and fire aspect 2

almost whole day wasted. Also stomach i don't know what you did to that double spawner but it's now awesome.

But with enchantments don't you get to keep clicking until you get something good?

No, you keep clicking to get the highest level you want. But what it gives you is random and you can't change it.

  On 2/8/2012 at 11:22 PM, Adam Beker said:

 

BANE OF AMORhTOPOZIDRONS 5 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

lol. I had that after 17 level on a solo game and was all disgusted so I can imagine how it feels at lvl 50