A pair of explosions rocks the finish line at the Boston Marathon, injuring at least a half-dozen people.

really? i lived there for a year and noticed a lot of skin heads. southie ruff necks. oh well, my mistake

I would opine that Boston is no worse than any other city in that respect. I am here right now btw.

  On 4/16/2013 at 8:53 PM, Lane Visitor said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 8:22 PM, marf said:

and if i were Muslim, or looked like one, in Boston i would worry because Boston is the one city in America with a lot of ignorant Neo nazi white pride young males.

 

yeah, no. Boston's my home town, and I visit there frequently, got family and friends all through out.. many in the inner city, one who lived on the streets for some time.. Never once have I heard about or experienced anything neo-nazi. Boston's one of the most liberal, multi-cultural and open-minded cities in the U.S.

 

Maybe you're thinking of cities in Florida, Texas, or other cities in the midwest? Modern/progressive cities like most major cities in the US will most likely not need to worry about ignorant, blind backlashes.

 

There are very, very few "card-carrying" white supremacists period and they exist everywhere. There are far more people, literally millions, with closeted or well "hidden" racist or bigoted convictions and they literally exist in regular society. There are few places I can think of that might be more prone to outright white supremacy racism being more common - one is prison and the other is rural parts of the deep south. Black supremacist groups exist in urban areas and likewise are small minorities within communities. General racism exists everywhere and it's not just whites vs. minorities - a lot of racism exists between non-white minority groups, for example mutual African-American versus Latino racism is fairly common.

You might be confusing the fact that Boston and other parts of the Northeast still have very tightly-knit ethnic neighborhoods amongst white Europeans - you have Italian, Irish, Polish, etc "neighborhoods" and areas of cities. What one might assume are skinheads are just local white residents in working-class neighborhoods who, well, keep their hair buzzed. Elsewhere it tends to be white versus Latino, Black, or Asian neighborhoods. For example DFW and Houston have distinct black neighborhoods that emerged after WWII, notable Vietnamese enclaves, and historically Mexican-American parts of their city. Since many younger cities outside of New England and Atlantic coast grew in the 20th century, or had suburbs and exburbs that "exploded" after the 1970s and 1980s, such specific historical division geographically just doesn't exist.

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There are very, very few "card-carrying" white supremacists period and they exist everywhere. There are far more people, literally millions, with closeted or well "hidden" racist or bigoted convictions and they literally exist in regular society.

 

 

Source?

A short reasoning exercise on the idea of "sourcing" a statement like joshua's above:

  On 4/16/2013 at 9:42 PM, compson said:

 

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There are very, very few "card-carrying" white supremacists period and they exist everywhere. There are far more people, literally millions, with closeted or well "hidden" racist or bigoted convictions and they literally exist in regular society.

 

 

 

Source?

 

lol

Ok, now back to the subject.

Pressure Cooker explosives.

Implications, Opinions.

What does this mean for the future of pressure cooker control regulations?

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:06 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 9:42 PM, compson said:

 

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There are very, very few "card-carrying" white supremacists period and they exist everywhere. There are far more people, literally millions, with closeted or well "hidden" racist or bigoted convictions and they literally exist in regular society.

 

 

 

Source?

 

lol

 

"Wow, it's nice out today"

"Source?"

not to knock on Boston but I thought it was common knowledge and a standup comedian trope that Boston among other parts of the east coast are notoriously racist and homophobic.

i took a class on racism in college, and one thing i will always remember the professor saying is that most ppl these days actually do hold some form of racist ideals, but they themselves may not identify it as being racist. it's due to the institutionalized racism in society. that to me made a lot of sense. time and again you'll hear someone who is "innocent" of being racist, but they will rattle off something they heard on fox news or whatever without realizing what they're saying.

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:11 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:06 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 9:42 PM, compson said:

 

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There are very, very few "card-carrying" white supremacists period and they exist everywhere. There are far more people, literally millions, with closeted or well "hidden" racist or bigoted convictions and they literally exist in regular society.

 

 

 

Source?

 

lol

 

 

"Wow, it's nice out today"

 

"Source?"

 

I can't source my many experiences of overhearing "typical" Americans in public describe people they didn't like as niggers and faggots without any sense of irony, sarcasm, or jest in the form of an academic paper. Sorry Compson.

a good example of what you describe above

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:09 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said:

Ok, now back to the subject.

 

Pressure Cooker explosives.

 

Implications, Opinions.

 

 

 

What does this mean for the future of pressure cooker control regulations?

Wouldn't that be a little embarrassing at the Annual International Terrorist Jamboree?

"Yeah like, I did, like, this whole office with selfmade C4 hidden in a laptop."

"Word. Like, I did this market with, like, liquid nitroglycerin and a truck. Hey new guy, what did you use?"

"Well... Uh, I just used, uh... lots of firecrackers and a pressure cooker."

(Awkward silence. Nobody knows how to respond. Someone snorts, gets interrupted by someone whispering "shht, you can't laugh at things like that".)

when Four Lions Part 2 comes out they should totally do a lol inducing scene about pressure cookers!

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:25 PM, joshuatx said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:11 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:06 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 9:42 PM, compson said:

 

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There are very, very few "card-carrying" white supremacists period and they exist everywhere. There are far more people, literally millions, with closeted or well "hidden" racist or bigoted convictions and they literally exist in regular society.

 

 

 

Source?

 

lol

 

 

"Wow, it's nice out today"

 

"Source?"

 

 

I can't source my many experiences of overhearing "typical" Americans in public describe people they didn't like as niggers and faggots without any sense of irony, sarcasm, or jest in the form of an academic paper. Sorry Compson.

 

So it's okay to generalize millions of people as racists based off overheard conversations?

Read my comment on "sourcing" experiential claims instead of attacking the easiest argument you can.

edit: Or we could just move on. This thread is about a recent tragic event, not about personal agenda or knocking over details in people's commentary.

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:45 PM, compson said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:25 PM, joshuatx said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:11 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:06 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 9:42 PM, compson said:

 

  Quote

 

There are very, very few "card-carrying" white supremacists period and they exist everywhere. There are far more people, literally millions, with closeted or well "hidden" racist or bigoted convictions and they literally exist in regular society.

 

 

 

Source?

 

lol

 

 

"Wow, it's nice out today"

 

"Source?"

 

 

I can't source my many experiences of overhearing "typical" Americans in public describe people they didn't like as niggers and faggots without any sense of irony, sarcasm, or jest in the form of an academic paper. Sorry Compson.

 

 

So it's okay to generalize millions of people as racists based off overheard conversations?

 

to expand on my earlier post, i wouldn't say it's ok, but more of an educated guess. it's not that people are maliciously racist, it's just that in order to not be racist, you have to be smarter than the average person, because if you just believe everything you hear in mainstream news and other outlets, by default you will become racist.

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:49 PM, CharlesWatkins said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:45 PM, compson said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:25 PM, joshuatx said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:11 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:06 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 9:42 PM, compson said:

 

  Quote

 

There are very, very few "card-carrying" white supremacists period and they exist everywhere. There are far more people, literally millions, with closeted or well "hidden" racist or bigoted convictions and they literally exist in regular society.

 

 

 

Source?

 

lol

 

 

"Wow, it's nice out today"

 

"Source?"

 

 

I can't source my many experiences of overhearing "typical" Americans in public describe people they didn't like as niggers and faggots without any sense of irony, sarcasm, or jest in the form of an academic paper. Sorry Compson.

 

 

So it's okay to generalize millions of people as racists based off overheard conversations?

 

 

to expand on my earlier post, i wouldn't say it's ok, but more of an educated guess. it's not that people are maliciously racist, it's just that in order to not be racist, you have to be smarter than the average person, because if you just believe everything you hear in mainstream news and other outlets, by default you will become racist.

 

Racism and bigotry is a tricky subject period. To borrow a phrase from Penn Jillette, I can't claim to look into someone's heart. I can only confirm that racists and bigots are what they are factually if they say it. As I stated earlier, only a small fraction of the American public is flat-out racist. A larger, but again still a small percentage, are publicly racist through their comments and statements on things like twitter and facebook. The racist remarks I've heard in public places are probably said by the same people, but even then I'm sure many don't have an online presence or any other hard evidence. I know they exist, but you're correct, arguably it's nothing more than a generalization.

Beyond that, you get into very big gray area of people who never say anything flat-out racist or bigoted but instead make controversial remarks perpetually, usually using the "I'm just politically incorrect" card or defending their statements with counter-accusations of character attacks. Politicians and pundits not only do this everyday many literally make their career out of doing so. Debating who is and isn't actually racist in these cases is futile. Addressing their actions and their influence on public policy isn't. I actually heard a pretty intelligent remark from a FBI terrorism expert on NBC this morning about investigating the Boston bombing, "you can't go with your gut, you have to do the exact opposite to find the evidence that matters."

And Compson, you should meet some Muslims. Likewise, and I say this with upmost sincerity, liberals and secular watmmers from urban areas should meet conservatives and religious people from the rural areas. You can't hammer out some differences but you can quash many pre-disposed assumptions and stereotypes. The media and political entities in power work non-stop to do the opposite.

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:45 PM, luke viia said:

Read my comment on "sourcing" experiential claims instead of attacking the easiest argument you can.

 

 

edit: Or we could just move on. This thread is about a recent tragic event, not about personal agenda or knocking over details in people's commentary.

Sorry, had to put that in boldface as an expression of agreement.

I anticipated there would be an aftermath of internet controversy from this. Same with Newtown last December.

I prefer to keep it simple in consoling the victims & those effected and demanding justice for the attackers. But that's just me.

Some updates on the man who lost both legs and was in the extremely graphic photo that circulate shortly after the bombings.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2309762/Boston-Marathon-bomb-explosions-How-hero-Carlos-Arredondo-lost-soldier-son-Iraq-saved-lives.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/16/bauman-amputation-boston-marathon/2088325/

  On 4/16/2013 at 9:50 AM, stabilo said:

very sorry for the victims, for those in boston and for those who die from bombing every day in irak, afghanistan, palestine, israel, siria or anywhere in this world

 

very sad really

;-(

yea

  On 4/16/2013 at 6:53 PM, marf said:

fuck, i cant get the legs blown off guy's image out of my head! Make it stop!

Apparently that guy is a friend of a friend. I feel so bad for him.

  On 4/16/2013 at 8:53 PM, Lane Visitor said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 8:22 PM, marf said:

and if i were Muslim, or looked like one, in Boston i would worry because Boston is the one city in America with a lot of ignorant Neo nazi white pride young males.

 

yeah, no. Boston's my home town, and I visit there frequently, got family and friends all through out.. many in the inner city, one who lived on the streets for some time.. Never once have I heard about or experienced anything neo-nazi. Boston's one of the most liberal, multi-cultural and open-minded cities in the U.S.

 

Maybe you're thinking of cities in Florida, Texas, or other cities in the midwest? Modern/progressive cities like most major cities in the US will most likely not need to worry about ignorant, blind backlashes.

I lived there for four years and it definitely has a dark, racist side to it. They deliberately segregate areas of the city and it's not much of a secret.

  On 4/17/2013 at 2:32 AM, Braintree said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 6:53 PM, marf said:

fuck, i cant get the legs blown off guy's image out of my head! Make it stop!

Apparently that guy is a friend of a friend. I feel so bad for him.

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 8:53 PM, Lane Visitor said:

 

  On 4/16/2013 at 8:22 PM, marf said:

and if i were Muslim, or looked like one, in Boston i would worry because Boston is the one city in America with a lot of ignorant Neo nazi white pride young males.

yeah, no. Boston's my home town, and I visit there frequently, got family and friends all through out.. many in the inner city, one who lived on the streets for some time.. Never once have I heard about or experienced anything neo-nazi. Boston's one of the most liberal, multi-cultural and open-minded cities in the U.S.

 

Maybe you're thinking of cities in Florida, Texas, or other cities in the midwest? Modern/progressive cities like most major cities in the US will most likely not need to worry about ignorant, blind backlashes.

I lived there for four years and it definitely has a dark, racist side to it. They deliberately segregate areas of the city and it's not much of a secret.

 

source?

Walking through Roxbury...

  On 4/16/2013 at 10:25 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

a good example of what you describe above

 

 

racism in denial

lol what an idiot.